Explosion in Manchester

[MrMarkyMark]

I just wonder, given the amount of white chavs in this city, when the first mosque will be burned...

on completely unrelated topic, have you seen my lighter?

[diseasex]

[northernladyuk]

If this sort of thing continues, there's only one way to tackle it - Hit them where it hurts, in the wallet!

Make every adult Muslim resident of the UK register as such with their mosque and pay what amounts to a surety or bond on behalf of their community.

Then every time there is a terrorist incident like this, where the perp turns out to be muslim, some or all the bond is forfeit and they must pay a load more.

That in effect, or something very similar, is how William the Conqueror, with only a few thousand soldiers, subdued a nation of a million or more warlike and irate Saxons!

The comparison may sound quaint, and perhaps slightly ridiculous, but human nature hasn't changed, and any person or community who risks losing a load of money will be far more likely to report any suspicions and cooperate with the authorities.

But their motives were entirely different, i.e. to marginalize the Jews rather than just keep them on their toes with financial disincentives to tolerate terrorists among them.

So what would you suggest, bearing in mind that if this kind of thing goes on too long then sooner or later people will start proposing and agreeing much less palatable solutions than the tried and tested one I proposed?

Nah, I think I once started a thread about alsations and northernladyuk chimed in right away to berate me, by pointing out that Adolph Hitler liked them!

Still waiting for her/him to answer my question ...

Of course, the question.

Firstly, let's explore your 'more palatable' proposal. You want to create a legally enforced database of Muslims. What will the penalty be for non-registration? How will you detect non-compliant Muslims? What will you do if there is a mass disobedience and a refusal to register? Have you considered that this would lead to more terrorism, not less?

This is a terrifying state you wish to create, but thankfully you are a deranged kipper so we don't have to take it seriously.

What would I do? Carry on as we are with intelligence led policing within a framework that respects civil rights for all.

[Paddy]

Apparently all these Wahabi mosques around the world have got their finances from thin air.

Unfortunately there is no specific planning permission need for mosques as they come under the same category as churches, libraries and community centres. Any building of that type can be leased or purchased then used as a mosque. Often the mosques are official describe as community centre which will attract local government grants. Whilst the upkeep is often paid for by the locals, the imams are usually sponsored by foreign sources.

There must be changes in the law to have all places of religion registered and monitored for funding and political activity.

[The_Equalizer]

Of course, the question.

Firstly, let's explore your 'more palatable' proposal. You want to create a legally enforced database of Muslims. What will the penalty be for non-registration? How will you detect non-compliant Muslims? What will you do if there is a mass disobedience and a refusal to register? Have you considered that this would lead to more terrorism, not less?

This is a terrifying state you wish to create, but thankfully you are a deranged kipper so we don't have to take it seriously.

What would I do? Carry on as we are with intelligence led policing within a framework that respects civil rights for all.

What do we do is the question? I'm not making any suggestions before anyone starts the abuse, but only stating the current policy has become one of damage limitation.

[diseasex]

Unfortunately there is no specific planning permission need for mosques as they come under the same category as churches, libraries and community centres. Any building of that type can be leased or purchased then used as a mosque. Often the mosques are official describe as community centre which will attract local government grants. Whilst the upkeep is often paid for by the locals, the imams are usually sponsored by foreign sources.

There must be changes in the law to have all places of religion registered and monitored for funding and political activity.

Nope. It's politically incorrect to do this, because islam is peaceful ... My ass

[northernladyuk]

What do we do is the question? I'm not making any suggestions before anyone starts the abuse, but only stating the current policy has become one of damage limitation.

It's a hideous atrocity in Manchester, but I don't think it is possible for the police to stop every plot. So if we accept that, then we need a combination of 'damage control' as you put it or risk management or whatever, and also some dealing with the route causes of why some young Muslim men (principally, other categories of individual are sometimes involved) feel the need to do this kind of thing. There are probably a number of factors including radicalisation, economic deprivation etc.

[BoredBloke]

All I'm saying when I was there (few times) I thought with this level of security it's an easy target and I must say I was cautious whilst on the concert...

So is any big event. I don't recall being searched going into Old Trafford. Can't say I've ever been searched at the Apollo or the Academy or any other music venue. The Arena is no different in terms of security

[billybiro]

Is this what you want or is the Telegraph a hate filled rag as well?

Islamic State supporters celebrate Manchester attack online

And there we have it...

"In videos posted online, Isil supporters said the attack was revenge for the UK's involvement in the bombing campaign against Isil in Iraq and Syria"

This is an appalling act and my thoughts are with those and the families of those injured or who have unfortunately lost their lives, however, our own government is mostly to blame for this. If we didn't go around indiscriminately bombing the sh*t out of the middle-east, we wouldn't have half as much terrorism as we currently do.

Like the shocked school yard bully who steals the lunch-money of an entire class of kids for a term but who ultimately gets his comeuppance when one finally decides to stand up for himself.

Whilst it's certainly no time for humour, this headline from "The Onion" (originally posted when Gulf War II was kicking off I believe) seems to sum it up perfectly:

New Bomb Capable Of Creating 1,500 New Terrorists In Single Blast

[The_Equalizer]

And there we have it...

"In videos posted online, Isil supporters said the attack was revenge for the UK's involvement in the bombing campaign against Isil in Iraq and Syria"

This is an appalling act and my thoughts are with those and the families of those injured or who have unfortunately lost their lives, however, our own government is mostly to blame for this. If we didn't go around indiscriminately bombing the sh*t out of the middle-east, we wouldn't have half as much terrorism as we currently do.

Like the shocked school yard bully who steals the lunch-money of an entire class of kids for a term but who ultimately gets his comeuppance when one finally decides to stand up for himself.

Whilst it's certainly no time for humour, this headline from "The Onion" (originally posted when Gulf War II was kicking off I believe) seems to sum it up perfectly:

New Bomb Capable Of Creating 1,500 New Terrorists In Single Blast

But isn't this British citizens bombing British citizens?