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Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostAye, and you "self-determined" to stay in the UK less than 3 years ago.
Or do you just suggest continuing to have referendums every few years until you "self-determine" the result that you want?
Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by TestMangler View PostPro union parties do not have the votes and seats currently in Scotland to have much of a say. Fact.
And, as I am sure you fully appreciate, a great many people voted SNP because of their perceived socialist attitude rather than simply because they want an independent Scotland.
Fact.“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostReally? Well nobody appears to have told Ruth Davidson!
https://stv.tv/news/politics/1367060...than-sturgeon/
Shall we take the council elections as a gauge of support for the parties and their leaders ? Care to put some money on your assertions of unpopularity of the SNP and their leader ? That's a much bigger sample than a poll.When freedom comes along, don't PISH in the water supply.....Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostAye, but it won't be the Parties that vote in the IndyRef will it? It will be the same people that voted last time round.
And, as I am sure you fully appreciate, a great many people voted SNP because of their perceived socialist attitude rather than simply because they want an independent Scotland.
Fact.
There is a pro indy majority in the Scottish Parliament. That is a fact. Can you see the difference ?When freedom comes along, don't PISH in the water supply.....Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostThe SNP got 44% of the vote in 2011 and 46.5% in 2016.
Hardly a giant leap in the right direction is it? Pretty much the same percentage that "YES" polled in 2014. The real winners were the Tories whose share jumped by over 8%. I'm guessing they are mainly pro-union.
On top of that, 1/3 of those who voted YES in 2014 also voted for Brexit. Not sure you can fully count on all of those votes if it goes to another referendum.
Tories are on 22% which is lower than when Thatcher was PM. Yes, Tories now are lower than Thatcher and she was/is hated up here.
There are a few like Sillars who will dislike the EU more than constant Tory governments but most Yes supporters would take independence in a heartbeat, we can always vote on the EU if desired at a later date.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View Postpaying your round / getting your big brother to pay?
Paying for your own Independance vote or getting England to pay?
etc.
Wait till you vote out, we will make you pay! Do you have a spare £50 Billion?
Love Jean Claude Osborne....
Ireland left the Yoonion in 1922 I believe and were not forced to pay anything either.
There are loads of countries who have had independence from Westminster and not one of them have asked to rejoin. Funny that.Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostIt will be Ruth Davidson I expect. The most popular and capable politician in Scotland at the moment.
HTH
The look on the buffalo's face says it allComment
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Originally posted by TestMangler View PostNo, it's not a fact, It's an opinion. Can you tell me how many 'No' voters voted SNP ? No, so it's not a fact, it's a conclusion.
There is a pro indy majority in the Scottish Parliament. That is a fact. Can you see the difference ?
So in essence, the SNP were perceived as much more likely to speak for those disenfranchised socialists than Scottish Labour were.
That in no way corresponds to a direct correlation with a huge appetite for Independence, much as many within the SNP would like to believe it to be the case.
Anyway, I suspect that Nicola will get her second Referendum and the whole thing will blow up in her face.......again.
Bring it on I say..............then we can perhaps put the tartan mafia back into their wee shortbread tins and move on.“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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Originally posted by shaunbhoy View PostA huge chunk of the upsurge in SNP voting numbers was down to those who defected from the Labour party because Labour had seemingly lost sight of their core voters' principles.
So in essence, the SNP were perceived as much more likely to speak for those disenfranchised socialists than Scottish Labour were.
That in no way corresponds to a direct correlation with a huge appetite for Independence, much as many within the SNP would like to believe it to be the case.
Anyway, I suspect that Nicola will get her second Referendum and the whole thing will blow up in her face.......again.
Bring it on I say..............then we can perhaps put the tartan mafia back into their wee shortbread tins and move on.When freedom comes along, don't PISH in the water supply.....Comment
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