oh dear: Not meaning to means you are not guilty

[SallyAnne]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6150198.stm

So he said he didnt mean to fire the gun. Tough tulip. You go out with a gun and you use it even though you didnt mean to makes you guilty as sin in my eyes.

If you didnt mean to use it why did you carry it with you. If a police marksmen had shot this guy he wouldnt have been allowed back on duty by saying he didnt mean to shoot him.

He should be shot if you ask me.

Sorry Sockpuppet - you have to have intent to be guilty of murder in this country (thank god). If the jury by it, he'll be charged with manslaughter.

[The Lone Gunman]

Sorry Sockpuppet - you have to have intent to be guilty of murder in this country (thank god). If the jury by it, he'll be charged with manslaughter.

I do hope the jury are not as stupid as this guy wants them to be.

He acquired a gun.
He took it with him.
He pointed it at someone.
He pulled the trigger.

There is enough intent there unless he can show that his mate gave him the gun and told him it was not loaded. Then it is manslaughter, but he can still get life as he was carrying an offensive/deadly weapon.

[Joe Black]

Sorry Sockpuppet - you have to have intent to be guilty of murder in this country (thank god).

Thank god?

Someone with a gun, fitted with a silencer, shoots (and kills) one police officer, then shoots and injures another. What are you suggesting? That because his plan that evening was not specifically to kill police officers he should just be done for manslaughter?

[AtW]

He can say what he wants, but there is enough intent in the whole thing to make it a murder rather than manslaughter.

[SallyAnne]

I'm just saying that the point of law which will be debated will be that of intent.

The Jury will decide whether he had that gun with the intent of killing someone.

If, for example, a mate of his gave him the gun "just to have", or to make the robbery look more real, or whatever, it could have legitimately gone off by accident. And he could have legitiately not known it was real. All of these things are unlikely, but all possible.

You lot have got him guilty of murder before the trial is even over! And I'd bet that if this was a white, middle aged woman, or some suited-up, city stock broker type in this guys place yous wouldn't be as quick to sentence him.

[MrsGoof]

just getting last post on alll threads

[hyperD]

I would have thought by having a gun for a robbery was to ensure you could threaten people to do what you wanted them to do through fear of killing them.

Ergo, by firing said weapon at someone means you intended to kill them.

Otherwise, if you wanted to shock them, you would have handed a few printouts of Chico's replies to an earlier thread.

[MrsGoof]

stop it
just getting last post on alll threads

[Gonzo]

stop it
just getting last post on alll threads

If it means so much then I will concede -oops!

[MrsGoof]