Whilst on the subject of Climate change

[pjclarke]

Back on this planet, something weird is happening to sea ice. Traditionally, the Arctic sea ice melts during the summer, reaching a minimum in September, then refreezing in a predictable pattern.

Until now. This year the ice didn't get the memo.



Global picture not looking too good either.



No doubt President Trump will reverse this decline by Presidential Executive Order come January.

[DodgyAgent]

Back on this planet, something weird is happening to sea ice. Traditionally, the Arctic sea ice melts during the summer, reaching a minimum in September, then refreezing in a predictable pattern.

Until now. This year the ice didn't get the memo.



Global picture not looking too good either.



No doubt President Trump will reverse this decline by Presidential Executive Order come January.

[DodgyAgent]

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.word...ea-ice-update/

http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=...5&e=96bb006873

[DimPrawn]

Global picture not looking too good either.



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Free the red squiggles!

[d000hg]

So another poster asks you a serious question and instead of explaining it you are rude.

He just found a story which agrees with him and posted it without even reading beyond the title, let alone understanding it well enough to answer questions.

This is the guy who posted a fake story the other week and when caught out said it didn't matter.

In other news, I think we really need to re-visit this whole solar system idea. I mean, who can really prove that the earth is a globe and not the fixed centre of the universe? It's just a conspiracy by physicists who have spent their entire professional lives studying these things, so the government can spend £billions on so called satellites and 'space stations'.

[shaunbhoy]

Many people believe that the planet is warming.
There is significant data to support this theory. There is also data that calls this notion into question.
Arguments rage as to whether or not mankind is responsible, either wholly or partly.
Even if one is of the opinion that mankind IS, for the most part, responsible, it would require a consolidated worldwide approach to reverse the damage.
There is no unified appetite for making the wholesale concessions and reforms that might be needed to have any noticeable effect.
Therefore there seems little point in wasting too much time and energy on playing the blame game.
If we feel that we MUST invest in this phenomenon, let us at least look for answers that accept that the warming will continue and base our solutions on that inevitability.

HTH

[pjclarke]

There is no unified appetite for making the wholesale concessions and reforms that might be needed to have any noticeable effect.

Well, there was, up until Nov 9th. The Paris Climate Accord was signed up to unanimously by every nation in the world. It was not perfect, indeed inadequate according to some scientists, however it indicated, after 20 years of very hard negotiation that every country at least appreciated that the global warming is not a hoax, and laid down a roadmap for reducing emissions and ultimately slowing the rise and stabilising the temperature at a safe (ish) level.

[shaunbhoy]

Well, there was, up until Nov 9th. The Paris Climate Accord was signed up to unanimously by every nation in the world. It was not perfect, indeed inadequate according to some scientists, however it indicated, after 20 years of very hard negotiation that every country at least appreciated that the global warming is not a hoax, and laid down a roadmap for reducing emissions and ultimately slowing the rise and stabilising the temperature at a safe (ish) level.

Puts me in mind of "I have in my hand a piece of paper!"

As I said, no genuine global appetite. The Indians and Chinese can sign as many bits of paper as you like, but they will never follow it up with the actions that will be required. And I doubt they are the only ones.

[d000hg]

Even if one is of the opinion that mankind IS, for the most part, responsible, it would require a consolidated worldwide approach to reverse the damage.
There is no unified appetite for making the wholesale concessions and reforms that might be needed to have any noticeable effect.

Fair point if rather pessimistic.

Well, there was, up until Nov 9th. The Paris Climate Accord was signed up to unanimously by every nation in the world.

By the governments. Who are struggling to get their citizens to care enough to manage the herculean task of separating their recycling into a separate bin. Most people are in principle in favour but in practice don't want to bother. Which brings us back to Shaun's point.

[WTFH]

So, the naysayers are blaming the governments, the Chinese, the Indians, and then saying there's no point in doing anything.


What a pathetic attitude.


You know what? If you want something to be done, start by doing something yourself, rather than trying to blame everyone else.


If you think climate change is all about tax, then you've missed the point. Although, those who are convinced it's all about money will be ignoring this post anyway, or will edit it in their replies with lots of laughs, because they completely miss the point.


If you, as an individual, or a parent, or a family, want to do something that might make a difference, then here's what you need to do:
1. Shop seasonally for food. This will reduce the amount of energy flying strawberries half way round the world so you can eat them in December. It will also give you a more varied diet, which is good for your health.
2. Shop locally for food. Again, less distance travelled also you are supporting local farmers by not buying food from "foreigners"
3. Grow your own food. Very cheap, gives you exercise planting it, tending it and harvesting it, also means you know what has gone into it.
4. Recycle your grey water. Recycling your water means you save money on the amount of water you use.


None of those are about tax. None are about supporting a particular government. None are about whether most scientists agree or disagree with you. They are simple steps that some people refuse to do, and their only reason is because the little snowflakes that they are want to blame someone else and have someone else deal with the problem because they are too lazy/scared/arrogant to do anything about it themselves.