Did I miss the refugee children thread?

[DodgyAgent]

Our government, whoever caused it, Tory or Labour, with money from the same pot that can fund £800,000 single shot missiles each one costing more than the combined lifetimes earnings of the people that have to fire it, or maybe the two £xxxxxxbn Floating Fortress Aircraft Carriers with no planes that take off or land on them, or maybe the even more £bns on Trident.

You need to stop thinking like General Cheeseburger...

In other words anyone but you

[vetran]

You really think that New Labour was right wing? I mean I know you're thick, but that's approaching GB9 levels.

FTFY, you stupid ****ing illiterate moron.

I've got a refugee staying with me. Software professional; can't return to his country because he was found to be helping the university there bypass government internet controls.

hey if I have hacked you off thein greeet - merge off!

gourd fae yae !

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The key to being a virtue signalling leftie is never to take any sort of personal responsibility. I am pretty sure that had we not invaded Iraq the self loathers would still have blamed British imperialism even if it meant going as far back as Richard the lionheart

Cuts both ways, will you right wingers bear some responsiblity for creating the situation that results in dead children being washed up on a beach, a perplexed child sat in an ambulance with totally no expression on his little face whatsoever, or the six year old boy protecting his four year old sister from the bombing by hugging her?

If so, we can talk.

I expect the answer is 'fuk 'em', but all you are doing is curtaining it off, because you lack the compassion or emotional maturity to deal with it, demonise them, so fuk 'em.

See a counsellor...

[stek]

In other words anyone but you

So people like me who didn't want to go to war and don't agree with Western meddling have to take all the guilt and flotsam and jetsam your lot caused when if ****s up big style like it always does?

How does that work then? Really, who's responsibility do you think it is to mop up after yet another US/UK fuk up?

[DodgyAgent]

Cuts both ways, will you right wingers bear some responsiblity for creating the situation that results in dead children being washed up on a beach, a perplexed child sat in an ambulance with totally no expression on his little face whatsoever, or the six year old boy protecting his four year old sister from the bombing by hugging her?

If so, we can talk.

I expect the answer is 'fuk 'em', but all you are doing is curtaining it off, because you lack the compassion or emotional maturity to deal with it, demonise them, so fuk 'em.

See a counsellor...

If I were to take responsibility then I would do so personally. I would not criticise others using some spurious "hindsight enabled/suit the narrative" twist of history to justify the sanctity of my words. One of the things I like about being so called "right wing" is that I am happy to take such responsibilities and I do not judge others. The left on the other hand exploit victims to make statements about themselves. As i have always said actions speak louder than words.
Whilst I do think we should take on small children and put them into care I also acknowledge that this comes at a price. We have our own 10,000 or so children in need of adoption or fostering and they will have to compete for care accordingly. People like you have no idea of the consequences of playing out your vanities. All you care about is looking virtuous against others (like me). If you really want to help then I suggest you offer to adopt them yourself or fork out some proper money so someone else can do your work for you. Otherwise shut up.

[DodgyAgent]

So people like me who didn't want to go to war and don't agree with Western meddling have to take all the guilt and flotsam and jetsam your lot caused when if ****s up big style like it always does?

How does that work then? Really, who's responsibility do you think it is to mop up after yet another US/UK fuk up?

I didn't want to go to war either but I acknowledge that there would have been some unpalatable consequences of doing nothing. Ultimately the people who should take responsibility are the people of these countries themselves. They are involved in an eternal religious conflict between two sides of their own religion and they are hostile to the freedoms of the West. No matter what we do nothing will change. The British, Americans and many other countries have managed to develop their civilisations into civilised societies through hundreds of years of attrition, fighting and war. These people from the middle east want to exploit this whilst at the same time refusing to give up the parts of their own culture that are unacceptable within our free democratic society.
I know self loathing people like you have little respect for your own culture but you are happy to feel entitled to the privileges and freedoms western society affords you which of course include the freedom to do as much virtue signalling as you like.

[vetran]

Cuts both ways, will you right wingers bear some responsiblity for creating the situation that results in dead children being washed up on a beach...

yeah of course I will take responsibility, I said years ago that we should stop encouraging economic migration and provide safe areas close to their home countries. The lefties said we were being unfair. I was horrified when this happened as I would be if someone died in a car accident but that doesn't change my mind that creating a 'Pull' is the real sin.

[stek]

If I were to take responsibility then I would do so personally. I would not criticise others using some spurious "hindsight enabled/suit the narrative" twist of history to justify the sanctity of my words. One of the things I like about being so called "right wing" is that I am happy to take such responsibilities and I do not judge others. The left on the other hand exploit victims to make statements about themselves. As i have always said actions speak louder than words.
Whilst I do think we should take on small children and put them into care I also acknowledge that this comes at a price. We have our own 10,000 or so children in need of adoption or fostering and they will have to compete for care accordingly. People like you have no idea of the consequences of playing out your vanities. All you care about is looking virtuous against others (like me). If you really want to help then I suggest you offer to adopt them yourself or fork out some proper money so someone else can do your work for you. Otherwise shut up.

Actually we are agreeing sort of...

1. I'm taking no responsibilty for the actions of my Gov.

2. Neither are you.

Not agreeing here;

3. Kids are kids, 'ours' are no different from 'theres' in my book.

Realisically no ordinary individual can take responsibily and take them in etc, aside from the fact it's unrealistic, I have kids of my own, work mostly in DK, no matter Left or Right, it's not possible.

The crux is who is repsonsible? We've agreed it's not the individual, it's the gov, the people that caused it in the first place.

I'm not vain or virtuous, I just don't like seeing people suffer, and then vilified for seeking a way out of it, especially when the suffering is a direct consequence of USA/UK meddling.

The powers that be in the World could end this mess in a pen stroke, but they don't. It's not profitable.

[stek]

yeah of course I will take responsibility, I said years ago that we should stop encouraging economic migration and provide safe areas close to their home countries. The lefties said we were being unfair. I was horrified when this happened as I would be if someone died in a car accident but that doesn't change my mind that creating a 'Pull' is the real sin.

Kind of agree, but I'd go further, but it's hard to do now since the old regimes are gone. I'm left as left can be, but even I know some peoples need a hard regime to start from.

Thing is it's probably too late now, take Iraq and maybe Libya, controlled by nutters, largely under control though, very few emigres, peoples 'in check'. In come the West to 'liberate' bedlam.

Try to establish Western-style democracy, doesn't work, they've had a taste of both what to do?

I dunno, you can't fix it by trying to reverse it. Have to accept it.

[DodgyAgent]

Actually we are agreeing sort of...

1. I'm taking no responsibilty for the actions of my Gov.

2. Neither are you.

Not agreeing here;

3. Kids are kids, 'ours' are no different from 'theres' in my book.

Realisically no ordinary individual can take responsibily and take them in etc, aside from the fact it's unrealistic, I have kids of my own, work mostly in DK, no matter Left or Right, it's not possible.

The crux is who is repsonsible? We've agreed it's not the individual, it's the gov, the people that caused it in the first place.

I'm not vain or virtuous, I just don't like seeing people suffer, and then vilified for seeking a way out of it, especially when the suffering is a direct consequence of USA/UK meddling.

The powers that be in the World could end this mess in a pen stroke, but they don't. It's not profitable.

You seem confused. Try reading this. It comes from the left wing magazine "spiked" led by the brilliant Brendan O'Neill

Don’t make a moral melodrama out of the migrant crisis | Immigration | spiked