only £2bn

[SueEllen]

This is really funny. My best mates wife flew out of England and went home to have her baby. She wouldn't use the NHS if they paid her.

I've met a few women from various countries including Poland who have done that. If they need any medical procedure they go home and if they can't go home they ask about private medicine. Thanks to them there are now some cheaper private clinics not far from me who do simple things....

[CoolCat]

A US couple, friends of mine, both here on work visas, had a baby while in the UK in an NHS hospital

They tried to pay but the hospital seemed stunned that they were offering and at the end of a few days of trying to pay they gave up

I do think that anyone married to a Brit needs to get looked after regardless of visa status. Normally a foreign national wont get indefinite leave to remain until a few years after they have been married to a Brit, and of course they can have a baby after 9 months lol. Indeed anyone married to a Brit who dies should be shown more flexibility than they are at the moment.

On the other hand the large numbers rocking up from India, often as partners of an Indian national here on a work visa, should be charged full whack, and should be forced to get full medical insurance before they enter the county, they as a group really are taking the mickey.

[CoolCat]

I've met a few women from various countries including Poland who have done that. If they need any medical procedure they go home and if they can't go home they ask about private medicine. Thanks to them there are now some cheaper private clinics not far from me who do simple things....

Certainly my French friends go home when they need an operation. Why put up with a long wait, rubbish service, and lack of choice etc here?

[bobspud]

I've met a few women from various countries including Poland who have done that. If they need any medical procedure they go home and if they can't go home they ask about private medicine. Thanks to them there are now some cheaper private clinics not far from me who do simple things....

Yes my friend has been flying to Czech for all his dentistry work for at least 10 years...

[darmstadt]

I do think putting a revenue unit in there makes sense, not necessarily directly run by the NHS. Maybe Border control? 1-2 a hospital could save a lot of money.

I don't think that one would go through ever since Theresa May cut their budget and staffing numbers. Oh, I wonder if that explains the reason for something else?

[shaunbhoy]

I don't think that one would go through ever since Theresa May cut their budget and staffing numbers. Oh, I wonder if that explains the reason for something else?

Your world is just one big dollop of wonderment. Stems from you being a bit Dolly Dimple.

HTH

[sal]

This is really funny. My best mates wife flew out of England and went home to have her baby. She wouldn't use the NHS if they paid her.

Fairly normal for EU citizens to do that. The overall experience of giving birth in the UK is probably one of the worst in Europe. The maternity units are so overloaded that they don't admit you until after the contractions are in an advanced stage and there is dilation which is absolutely ridiculous as at this stage the birth can progress very rapidly (especially when it's 2nd, 3rd etc.).

I had a colleague that had to deliver his son on his own at home, after NHS turned them down, for not having frequent enough contraction despite the due date having passed 1 day ago. By the time they were frequent enough to satisfy the admission criteria it was too late. Fortunately it all ended up well this time.

One of the reasons for the overloading is the total lack of coordination. For instance my wife was kept in bed for 2 extra days after the birth because of high blood pressure so they can track it and medicate properly medicate it. She had to keep track of the schedule on her own as the nurses constantly forgot to take the measurement or give her the pills on time. They could have let her do that at home on her own and have the bed free for another mother.

At the other side of the spectrum was a women in the same room next to my wife that was discharged 24h after giving birth with c-section, which is a major surgery that you really need care and bed rest after WTF.

[SueEllen]

A US couple, friends of mine, both here on work visas, had a baby while in the UK in an NHS hospital

They tried to pay but the hospital seemed stunned that they were offering and at the end of a few days of trying to pay they gave up

I've heard of Aussies trying to pay up as well or show their insurance documents.

In one case because the elderly person was staying with British relations, the administrator just basically said they were a dependant of the British relations they didn't need to pay. The woman had insurance but the administrator didn't want to photocopy the documentation and take the appropriate numbers.

I do think that anyone married to a Brit needs to get looked after regardless of visa status. Normally a foreign national wont get indefinite leave to remain until a few years after they have been married to a Brit, and of course they can have a baby after 9 months lol. Indeed anyone married to a Brit who dies should be shown more flexibility than they are at the moment.

On the other hand the large numbers rocking up from India, often as partners of an Indian national here on a work visa, should be charged full whack, and should be forced to get full medical insurance before they enter the county, they as a group really are taking the mickey.

With Indians I learnt on one of my contracts they can either pay a very small monthly fee that allows them and their accompanying family to use the NHS, or otherwise choose to use private medicine. Most opted to pay the £10-20 to use the NHS.

Edited to say: Foreign non-EEA students have to take out health insurance as well but the price is just over £100 per year.

[vetran]

They can come up with a clear and direct policy.
They can evidence they are willing to see it though, no exceptions.
They can then put the word out to all the countries that are most guilty and educate them there that that avenue is firmly closed and stem the flow.

Will take time but it can be done. How on earth is saying we'll stop it but not turn anyone away a deterrent or fix?

This is the way. Valid Insurance before Visa.

No Valid Insurance or ability to pay then Visa sponsor has to pay.

just like the sponsor form says!

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...rship-form.pdf

Passport held until payment no access to public funds.
Future Visas declined automatically if there is any difficulty, sponsor disqualified from sponsoring others.


Sorry if its a big issue & I believe it is (my wife being the only one speaking English in the maternity ward with Mini V) then we need to be harsh.

If we can take houses off people to pay for old age we can certainly take houses off people for sponsoring health tourism.

I have no objection to proving I am entitled to care in the UK or making arrangements abroad.

If we said anyone in the jungle would be declined asylum in the UK and deported to a suitable refugee camp the problem would disappear overnight.

[vetran]

I've heard of Aussies trying to pay up as well or show their insurance documents.

In one case because the elderly person was staying with British relations, the administrator just basically said they were a dependant of the British relations they didn't need to pay. The woman had insurance but the administrator didn't want to photocopy the documentation and take the appropriate numbers.



With Indians I learnt on one of my contracts they can either pay a very small monthly fee that allows them and their accompanying family to use the NHS, or otherwise choose to use private medicine. Most opted to pay the £10-20 to use the NHS.

Edited to say: Foreign non-EEA students have to take out health insurance as well but the price is just over £100 per year.

dirt cheap then but better than nothing.