[Merged]Brexit stuff

[BlasterBates]

After Brexit goes through the Social Benefits office can send them down to Boston to work on the fruit farms.

[DodgyAgent]

Well I'll take me hat off (should I wear one) when that day happens. Bluff and bluster is all the electorate seems to be capable of.

Like voting to leave the EU?

[scooterscot]

I was in a pub in one of these left behind tulipholes at the weekend (Featherstone nr Pontefract), and the overwhelming feeling was that the politicians had better deliver. Trust me there is not much apathy where this is concerned, they don't care about being poorer as most are that poor anyway. Remember Ed Balls, he stooped listening to the local people and paid the price, I was one of them. The referendum has in some ways reignited an interest in voting for something a lot of people care about. The liberal elite stopped listening and now we have Brexit.

Well I'll take me hat off (should I wear one) when that day happens. Bluff and bluster is all the electorate seems to be capable of.

[DodgyAgent]

I was in a pub in one of these left behind tulipholes at the weekend (Featherstone nr Pontefract), and the overwhelming feeling was that the politicians had better deliver. Trust me there is not much apathy where this is concerned, they don't care about being poorer as most are that poor anyway. Remember Ed Balls, he stooped listening to the local people and paid the price, I was one of them. The referendum has in some ways reignited an interest in voting for something a lot of people care about. The liberal elite stopped listening and now we have Brexit.

[Chuck]

Cameron ... should have seized the opportunity to get better terms from the EU, given that he had a mandate from the populace to leave if he couldn't.

He tried that. They told him to feck off.

He didn't believe we'd vote to leave, nor did they. That didn't go so well for them, did it?

[Gibbon]

I'm sure that's got the career politicians shaking in their boots.

It's becoming clear Wrexit is going to get kicked into the long grass. A few years will pass, apathy will strengthen its grip and life shall return to normal.

I was in a pub in one of these left behind tulipholes at the weekend (Featherstone nr Pontefract), and the overwhelming feeling was that the politicians had better deliver. Trust me there is not much apathy where this is concerned, they don't care about being poorer as most are that poor anyway. Remember Ed Balls, he stooped listening to the local people and paid the price, I was one of them. The referendum has in some ways reignited an interest in voting for something a lot of people care about. The liberal elite stopped listening and now we have Brexit.

[ClothCap]

Why?

[d000hg]

UKIP is effectively dead.

Ukip was in a death spiral well before Steven Woolfe quit. Is there anyone left who can save it?*

One definite good thing to come out of Brexit is getting rid of UKIP.

[LondonManc]

Where does a new party need to go, though, in order to get votes? By that, I mean, what should their leaning be, who should they appeal to?

Sound economic policy is a must; something which kills the Greens off time after time because they haven't a clue how to fund all the lovely, idealistic policies that many of us would probably want in a money-no-object world.

Whose votes should they seek to capture and how? Do we need to stop thinking in the traditional terms of a left to right sliding scale? Do we need a party of realists that simply campaign from a position of practicality in terms of where we are? The problem is, that could all come crumbling with Article 50 invoked; two strategies need devising then - one to account for Brexit, one for Bremain. This is where Cameron cocked up. He led the Bremain campaign badly; rather than falling on his own sword, he should have seized the opportunity to get better terms from the EU, given that he had a mandate from the populace to leave if he couldn't.

[scooterscot]

No, but could quite conceivably be a democratic revolution at the next election. One of the things that came out of the vote is that a large proportion of the electorate no longer blindly follow the party line. If brexit is fudged or even seem to be fudged then it only takes two thirds of those who voted for it to get behind UKIP and we're really up the spout.

I'm sure that's got the career politicians shaking in their boots.

It's becoming clear Wrexit is going to get kicked into the long grass. A few years will pass, apathy will strengthen its grip and life shall return to normal.