EU accepts inevitable informal negotiations before Article 50

[SueEllen]

It might not be the same definition as it is now. But having the requirement for a job before migrating to a country is not really a big deal.

A minority won't be happy. But then they'd never be happy. However the majority just want to feel that there is some level of government control.

The minority who won't be happy obviously don't like eating British food.

Who the hell do they think picks the British food and veg they can buy at the same price or less than the fruit and veg from elsewhere?

And farmers would happily employ British people but they find either don't apply or they aren't happy to do the work.

[VectraMan]

Andrew Neil do a google search with him and "miserablist"

I did that and found this animated video. Which explains things pretty well:

https://fullfact.org/europe/whats-di...ade-agreement/

The thing about Siemens is that they certainly would have made the same commitment to the UK had we voted Bremain. So although Brexit has made no difference in the end, it probably did make them reconsider, which is the whole point.

[LondonManc]

The minority who won't be happy obviously don't like eating British food.

Who the hell do they think picks the British food and veg they can buy at the same price or less than the fruit and veg from elsewhere?

And farmers would happily employ British people but they find either don't apply or they aren't happy to do the work.

A problem of our own making from Blair's legacy of providing dole scrounger as a more profitable occupation than manual labourer.

[CretinWatcher]

I have also considered that the UK is in far stronger position than the remain miserablists want us to believe

Oh good I am reassured.
What's your opinion on how the fall in the pound will affect our record current-account deficit?

[SueEllen]

A problem of our own making from Blair's legacy of providing dole scrounger as a more profitable occupation than manual labourer.

So why should farmers suffer?

Actually one of the problems, and I had this discussion many years ago, was making it extremely difficult for businesses to hire children 14 plus. If you start working young you develop a work ethic.

[DodgyAgent]

Most people in this country are employed by SMEs. Some of these SMEs rely heavily on selling into European markets. These are the companies who are going to suffer as unlike larger companies they don't have a department of people to deal with customs paperwork.

what will we do without the nanny European state

[original PM]

So why should farmers suffer?

Actually one of the problems, and I had this discussion many years ago, was making it extremely difficult for businesses to hire children 14 plus. If you start working young you develop a work ethic.

Cannot agree more - and I did think there were some changes being bought in to start to allow the less academically inclined to take a different more vocational route at an earlier age...

Problem is you need to separate those who are not great academically but still very useful people from those who are not great academically because they are lazy chavy scrotes.

[darmstadt]

Oh good I am reassured.
What's your opinion on how the fall in the pound will affect our record current-account deficit?

It was 1 - 1 this morning at Frankfurt Airport (admittedly that was Travelex though!)

[darmstadt]

A number of EU countries seem to be in that space apparently.

Probably a combination of problems with the Euro and also the recent immigration crisis not being handled overly well by the EU in general making people have a think about what is best for their country - cannot really blame them mind you.

So you don't read the newspapers nor digest what people say on this forum properly? To recap just for you...

In Germany, the Brexit aftermath has seen Angela Merkel’s popularity ratings surge to a 10-month high
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An Infratest Dimap poll published on Friday also marks a two percentage point gain for Merkel’s party, the centre-right CDU, and a one point gain for the centre-left Social Democratic party.

In a Gallup poll on 5-6 July, 52% of Austrians said they would choose to stay in the EU if given a vote, while only 30% would vote to leave.

In Denmark, support for EU membership has risen to 69%, up from 59.8% in a poll held before the British referendum, while support for a membership vote has fallen from 40.7 to 32%.

In Finland, voters seem to have been put off the idea of a “Fixit” vote, which had been called for by some politicians including former foreign minister Paavo Väyrynen.
After polls carried out in March indicated that 43% of voting Finns wanted a UK-style referendum, and only 56% were inclined to vote to remain, an Iltalehti survey carried out on 28-29 June registered a pro-European shift, with 59% of Finns saying they did not want an in-out referendum and 68% saying they would vote to stay.

While there is widespread scepticism of Brussels, a majority of Italians believe they are better off in the EU. One poll carried out since the Brexit outcome found 66% of Italians would vote to remain in the EU, with just 26% opting to leave and 8% undecided.

[AtW]

All of this means nothing. I think anybody with an iota of common sense knows that informal talks have already started and I expect them to continue through the end of the year. At the end of the day, the big question remains will the UK get full access to the single market, while not accepting free movement? I maintain that will NEVER be accepted by the EU(Despite all the hot air from the leavers) and ultimately at some point this country will have to accept that leave really means leave with all that comes with that.

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