EU accepts inevitable informal negotiations before Article 50

[DodgyAgent]

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AtW we I don't think you realise it but we do not yet live in a totalitarian state. You seem to think that the EU is the ultimate authority of europe and like the soviet Union the governing force in control of everything. The reality is that everything is negotiable in the world of free markets and that the UK is the single biggest export market for the EU and the fifth largest economy in the world. Your whole reaction is that the UK is some sort of naughty boy beholden to he EU for pretty well everything. Your binary view is that the EU is the ultimate power. It most certainly is not and nor does it have the strength to make choices about whether it acceeds to Britains terms. Britain is a very big and powerful economy on its own and it is as much up to the EU to be answerable to Britain as the other way round.

[SueEllen]

AtW we I don't think you realise it but we do not yet live in a totalitarian state. You seem to think that the EU is the ultimate authority of europe and like the soviet Union the governing force in control of everything. The reality is that everything is negotiable in the world of free markets and that the UK is the single biggest export market for the EU and the fifth largest economy in the world. Your whole reaction is that the UK is some sort of naughty boy beholden to he EU for pretty well everything. Your binary view is that the EU is the ultimate power. It most certainly is not and nor does it have the strength to make choices about whether it acceeds to Britains terms. Britain is a very big and powerful economy on its own and it is as much up to the EU to be answerable to Britain as the other way round.

We can get access to individual countries markets but we won't necessarily get access to the single market.

Ultimately the UK government is at fault regardless.

[DodgyAgent]

We can get access to individual countries markets but we won't necessarily get access to the single market.

Ultimately the UK government is at fault regardless.

At fault for what? if the EU wants access to our markets then it will have to give access to their own in return and as the EU sells more to the Uk than the UK sells to the EU Britain holds the cards.

[SueEllen]

At fault for what?

For disenfranchising people since 1997 by allowing people from new EU member states to work in the UK before other EU states, for going on an austerity drive, for not ensuring that all cities outside the SE had a reasonable amount of jobs in the private sector with a lot paying more than the minimum wage etc.

if the EU wants access to our markets then it will have to give access to their own in return and as the EU sells more to the Uk than the UK sells to the EU Britain holds the cards.

Individual EU countries know what they will lose by not trading with the UK, therefore those countries will come to some arrangement to trade with the us regardless. Countries that don't do lots of trade with the UK, which is likely those who we have a lot of workers from, will only come to an arrangement if we threaten to chuck out their citizens. This is why May initially hinted that these people may have to leave....

[FatLazyContractor]

Andrew Neil do a google search with him and "miserablist"

I did, and all I see is a man's face that covers the whole screen.

[Mordac]

For disenfranchising people since 1997 by allowing people from new EU member states to work in the UK before other EU states, for going on an austerity drive, for not ensuring that all cities outside the SE had a reasonable amount of jobs in the private sector with a lot paying more than the minimum wage etc.


Individual EU countries know what they will lose by not trading with the UK, therefore those countries will come to some arrangement to trade with the us regardless. Countries that don't do lots of trade with the UK, which is likely those who we have a lot of workers from, will only come to an arrangement if we threaten to chuck out their citizens. This is why May initially hinted that these people may have to leave....

That means removing their legal right to vote. That hasn't happened.

[SueEllen]

That means removing their legal right to vote. That hasn't happened.

It also means depriving someone of a right or privilege. In this case these people don't think they have the same privileges as migrant workers they live next to or people who live in richer areas.

[Mordac]

It also means depriving someone of a right or privilege. In this case these people don't think they have the same privileges as migrant workers they live next to or people who live in richer areas.

Disenfranchisement doesn't mean that at all.

[CretinWatcher]

At fault for what? if the EU wants access to our markets then it will have to give access to their own in return and as the EU sells more to the Uk than the UK sells to the EU Britain holds the cards.

And let's just say you are correct (which you're not since in proportional terms your comment is not true), is your economic model that we keep borrowing more money to buy stuff, increasing our debt, till we go bust?
Isn't the problem for Britain's long term viability precisely the fact that we don't sell enough stuff?

[original PM]

So you don't read the newspapers nor digest what people say on this forum properly? To recap just for you...

Yes but the media will just print what they think people want to read - as we found during Brexit.

Also a poll of a sample of 2,000 simply does not scale up when you have 17 million voters as we found out.

I am not saying anyone else will leave the EU I am saying that there are some people in other countries who do not see much value in being a member of the EU for various reasons.