All of this means nothing. I think anybody with an iota of common sense knows that informal talks have already started and I expect them to continue through the end of the year. At the end of the day, the big question remains will the UK get full access to the single market, while not accepting free movement? I maintain that will NEVER be accepted by the EU(Despite all the hot air from the leavers) and ultimately at some point this country will have to accept that leave really means leave with all that comes with that.
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Originally posted by Mordac View PostCorrect me if I'm wrong, and I haven't bothered to look it up, so may well be entirely wrong, but aren't the German elections due in March? Whenever they are, Merkel will get something of a hammering, rightly or wrongly. So by April she will in no position to dictate anything to the UK or anyone else.Comment
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Originally posted by Mordac View PostCorrect me if I'm wrong, and I haven't bothered to look it up, so may well be entirely wrong, but aren't the German elections due in March? Whenever they are, Merkel will get something of a hammering, rightly or wrongly. So by April she will in no position to dictate anything to the UK or anyone else.
Now the horse has decided to bolt I can see the EU states descend into individual discussions with us. Much as Juncker the drunken might despise the idea.Comment
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Originally posted by sirja View PostAnd do you think whoever replaces her will be more amenable? Please understand it does not matter who the leaders of major EU nations are(As long as it's not the extreme right/left) they are all as one on the EU consensus. No mainstream German or French leader is going to green light single market access for the UK with no free movement. It's just not going happen. It would be much better if people understood that now, rather than a waste of 2 years to come to the same conclusion.His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by GB9 View PostQuite possibly correct. Am I right in thinking the opposition are in favour of a referendum on the EU? Or is that the French? Or the Italians?
Now the horse has decided to bolt I can see the EU states descend into individual discussions with us. Much as Juncker the drunken might despise the idea.His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by GB9 View PostQuite possibly correct. Am I right in thinking the opposition are in favour of a referendum on the EU? Or is that the French? Or the Italians?
Now the horse has decided to bolt I can see the EU states descend into individual discussions with us. Much as Juncker the drunken might despise the idea.His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by VectraMan View PostNothing has been shattered; this is not news in any way. The Commission can be as "not thrilled" as much as it likes but as the ultimate power rests with the national leaders it's not relevant, and as the highlighted bit says it's not possible to stop informal negotiations and never was.
Nothing to see here. Move along.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostExactly. Informal talks were banned by the prat Junk, but the UK and EU civil servants will been talking to each other since 24th June, through informal channels that the politicians aren't involved with. They've got jobs to get on with. I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised if the UK civil service has detailed plans about how to Brexit, covering all contingencies.His heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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The public sector bods can talk all they like yada yada, meanwhile any international private sector manager of sound mind will certainly not be investing in the UK, unless it is something particular to this small market. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of jobs depending on access to the single market/passporting particularly in manufacturing and finance.
The best we can expect is that existing investors wait and see, what we have started to lose immediately is any planned/proposed investment that was dependent on access to the single market.
This will become in obvious in the FDI figures in the months and years to come, a permanent shrinkage of the economy.Comment
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Originally posted by Mordac View PostMerkel will get something of a hammering, rightly or wrongly.Comment
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