Birstall MP attacked and killed

[TestMangler]

I don't know if you have ever spent any time with anyone who has a chronic mental condition, they think there are extra voices on the TV that are just for them, traffic lights give them messages in Morse code, it is entirely possible he is in that area.

Hinckley shot Ronald Reagan after becoming infatuated with Jodie Foster in Taxi Driver, Chapman shot John Lennon after reading Catch 22. If people are extrapolating this event out for political mileage before knowing the state of mind of the person then they are standing on dodgy ground.

Tonybee in the guardian today is the very lowest level of journalism I have seen for decades, same goes for Massie's ( published, pulled, published, pulled, edited, published ) article in the Spectator.

It fills me with some level of satisfaction knowing the Guardian will be gone in a few years, burning through that 700 million they got for selling autotrader at 100 million a year.

Was it not 'Catcher in the Rye' ? I remember seeing a documentary where several murders were blamed on the perpetrator reading that.

[minestrone]

The casual way a Guardian journalist in 2010 can claim the UK Government has a "final solution" for the poor highlights why the labour party has a serious anti Semitism problem now.

[minestrone]

Was it not 'Catcher in the Rye' ? I remember seeing a documentary where several murders were blamed on the perpetrator reading that.

I think you are right there.

[xoggoth]

I think some lefties like the late Bob Crow and Polly Toynbee have been sensible on immigration, they are real socialists who think that increasing prosperity should be shared among those of limited ability at the bottom of our society, they should not be pushed out and have their wages reduced by having to compete with migrants from poor countries. Couple of articles from Toynbee here:

Our borders are porous. Why can't our politicians admit the problems of immigration? | Polly Toynbee | Opinion | The Guardian

Has immigration been good for Britain? That depends on who you are. Brown's Treasury boasted that migrants boosted GDP – without counting whether they boosted GDP per capita. Nor does rising GDP show who wins and who loses in so unequal a country. It's wonderful for employers and the affluent wanting cheap nannies, cleaners and plumbers – bad for the unemployed, many of whom would have been skilled-up for the jobs otherwise

If you want to curb immigration, pay workers a living wage | Polly Toynbee | Opinion | The Guardian

Labour's pitch on immigration is counter-intuitive: enforce decent pay and conditions and fewer migrants will come. Once British people with families could afford to take those jobs, employers would lose any incentive to recruit cheap workers abroad. Stop bad employers undercutting decent pay with imported near-slave labour. As a message it may not quite work politically as it doesn't satisfy the gut fears of the Ukip-inclined, but it has the advantage of taking real action against a real problem. Labour's new determination to enforce minimum pay inspections and spread gangmaster legislation to construction and hospitality is more than welcome: Tony Blair and Gordon Brown adamantly refused both, appeasing employers with lax regulation.
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Employers are to blame for importing so many of the unskilled, instead of hiring at home.

PS THo' not quite convinced about the logic of that last idea.

[xoggoth]

Sensible on religion too. Religious education is a nonsense. Facts - science, maths, logic, psychology and history should be the subjects that matter.

The Muslim 'Trojan Horse' schools frenzy hides a need for integration | Polly Toynbee | Opinion | The Guardian

That a third of state schools are faith schools is a historic disaster, a hangover from Christian charity school days, made worse by Tony Blair's encouragement and now by Michael Gove adding yet more. When the Church of England and the Catholics have so many schools, every other religion and sect is entitled too – Seventh-Day Adventists, Jewish and Hindu schools are expanding, and of course Muslims want more of their own. Why shouldn't they?
The presence of one-third faith schools often unbalances the local intake. Park View is not a faith school but has 98% Muslim pupils. In many areas that happens when local Christian schools become white-flight refuges, leaving nearby state schools to become mainly Muslim.
What is needed is socially and religiously integrated education. All children should be taught religious education, learning about all religions. But what serious programme of sex education or prevention of homophobic bullying can there be in schools where most teachers adhere to ancient texts that punish gays? It's hard to complain of some of the teachings in the Qur'an when Gove sends a Bible to every school, filled with the most extreme and bizarre prohibitions.

[SueEllen]

Generally I find her quite sensible but that is rather unbalanced. There is no doubt the real far right is rising in Europe but the reason for that is that, for far too long, real concerns have been ignored. Effect is being confused as cause.

It is a pity human society can never be balanced and based on facts and the realities of history and human nature rather than idiotic ideals and morality, we just swing from one extreme to the other. Much of today's anti-racism is just an inverted racism, a ridiculous belief that, despite the low performance and well documented problems of poor nations, they are somehow all wonderful, hard working, law-abiding people the moment they cross our borders. Any problems are down to racism and exclusion by the horrid white man.

Last time I checked the majority of Eastern Europeans where white.

And according to the legal definition of racism recognised by the various UK laws white people from different nations can be racist to each other. Hence English being racist to the Scots and vice versa is recognised as such.

People like you who go on about anti-racism should move to a rough part of another UK nation to realise why people say racism is unacceptable.

People like you think it's a f***ing joke until you or someone close to you has faced it and been threatened with violence due to it.

Oh and lumping the actions of groups of people as acting all the same mass is racist.

[shaunbhoy]

Toynbee is the worst sort of smarmy hand-wringing socialist. Failed her 11-plus and dropped out of Uni to flip burgers. The fact that she has reached her current position is testament to the fact that Political Correctness has almost reached the levels of lunacy that defined the Salem Witch trials.

[unemployed]

Last time I checked the majority of Eastern Europeans where white.

And according to the legal definition of racism recognised by the various UK laws white people from different nations can be racist to each other. Hence English being racist to the Scots and vice versa is recognised as such.

People like you who go on about anti-racism should move to a rough part of another UK nation to realise why people say racism is unacceptable.

People like you think it's a f***ing joke until you or someone close to you has faced it and been threatened with violence due to it.

Oh and lumping the actions of groups of people as acting all the same mass is racist.

Racism does not exist in our modern multicultural society though does it ?
southall is a prime example of multicultural Britain working at it`s best .

infact it`s so multicultural that the people who say it is , don`t have to live next to these multicultural people in the first place, so they never really need to worry about it.

[scooterscot]

Your level of hypocrisy is quite something.

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1986938

I don't see any hypocrisy here. But i appreciate your memory and drama.

MP's must be held to account by all means. It becomes worrying when people see fit to reason their way to such atrocities.

[ClothCap]

People like you...
People like you ...

Sounds a bit... I dunno, racist?