Birstall MP attacked and killed

[ZARDOZ]

It was a politically motivated murder... The only way this thread can be diverted is if we all pretend it wasn't what it was.

It seems it's ok to ignore the obvious because he was either mentally disturbed or member of a far right group. The whole problem of the inflamtary language Fargae uses is the potential affect it will have on society and most of all, the weak minded and the potential outcomes. The end game of that being what has happened.

But we can all keep pretending there are no links... Nothing like burying the truth just so the out campaign doesn't suffer a bit of damage.

Happy to believe Jo Cox would of wanted the truth to be told.... And the obvious not to be ignored...

Hopefully, in her memory, minds will be a little more focused on the truths of this campaign rather than the hate Farage has been spreading. As her husband said. Uniting against this hate is what she would of wanted. His words were clear. You are all free to pretend otherwise.

The only people trying to make political ground off this are the ones who want to pretend the obvious isn't obvious to help protect their own political wants.

They both wanted to be in the EU. They were both spads to the Kinnochs and the Browns. The husband was at the flotila in his boat supporting Geldof et al. What happened to her was horrible but that doesn't mean we all have to fall in line with the their political affiliations else be accused of being filled with hate which is what it seems to have spun into.

[shaunbhoy]

The only people trying to make political ground off this are the ones who want to pretend the obvious isn't obvious to help protect their own political wants.

The only people actually benefiting from this are the Remain campaign though, aren't they?
The facts are that a deranged madman has brutally murdered a young politician. His actions cannot be rationalised by those of us of sound mind, and it is churlish and petty of the Remain side to be trying to pin this violent lunacy on the Leave campaign simply to try and prop up their waning popularity.

[mudskipper]

Happy to believe Jo Cox would of wanted the truth to be told.... And the obvious not to be ignored...

From all that has been said about Jo Cox, she was a woman of integrity, who stood for what she believed in. Her colleagues have said that she was not into "climbing the greasy pole".

I think she would have been dismayed at the political opportunism.

[scooterscot]

The only people actually benefiting from this are the Remain campaign though, aren't they?
The facts are that a deranged madman has brutally murdered a young politician. His actions cannot be rationalised by those of us of sound mind, and it is churlish and petty of the Remain side to be trying to pin this violent lunacy on the Leave campaign simply to try and prop up their waning popularity.

You don't help your argument by sounding like an apologist.

Truth be told, if PM never called a referendum for political gain in the first place Mrs Cox would still be alive today.

[Bee]

It was a politically motivated murder... The only way this thread can be diverted is if we all pretend it wasn't what it was.

It seems it's ok to ignore the obvious because he was either mentally disturbed or member of a far right group. The whole problem of the inflamtary language Fargae uses is the potential affect it will have on society and most of all, the weak minded and the potential outcomes. The end game of that being what has happened.

But we can all keep pretending there are no links... Nothing like burying the truth just so the out campaign doesn't suffer a bit of damage.

Happy to believe Jo Cox would of wanted the truth to be told.... And the obvious not to be ignored...

Hopefully, in her memory, minds will be a little more focused on the truths of this campaign rather than the hate Farage has been spreading. As her husband said. Uniting against this hate is what she would of wanted. His words were clear. You are all free to pretend otherwise.

The only people trying to make political ground off this are the ones who want to pretend the obvious isn't obvious to help protect their own political wants.

Could be a political murder, he is a Brexier, it’s a fact, he belong to an extremist party, it’s a fact. What is disgusting is to use her murder for political campaign or propaganda against Brexiers.

[shaunbhoy]

You don't help your argument by sounding like an apologist.

WTF are you on about? I have nothing to apologize for. This guy has been a crazed right-wing nutcase for many years it appears. This dreadful act was not spawned from the EU debate and, tragically, could have happened at any point. He bought a handbook in 1999 on how to make a handgun. Might as well blame the last Labour government for not investing heavily enough in mental health care as blame the Leave campaign for triggering this.

Truth be told, if PM never called a referendum for political gain in the first place Mrs Cox would still be alive today.

So it's Cameron's fault then?
You really do have some strange notions. I hope you are getting the right counselling for your logic deficiencies.

[jamesbrown]

Truth be told, if PM never called a referendum for political gain in the first place Mrs Cox would still be alive today.

Truth be told, if the EU hadn't become what it has, she would've still been alive today.

See how moronic that sounds?

[NotAllThere]

Millions more were there in spirit.

Or not. The millions in spirit (according to you) couldn't be arsed to turn up, so they didn't care that much.

[jamesbrown]

I think it's more straightforward than that. I know that Trevor Kavanagh joked about this but, ultimately, it's at the discretion of the editorial team (believe it or not). Coverage in the Sun has been consistently Eurosceptic for decades, and throughout this campaign, reflecting their readership. It would've been astonishing if they'd come out for Remain. In contrast, the Times has been consistently balanced, including throughout this campaign and, while most people anticipated that they'd opt for Remain (in keeping with their readership), it was more finely balanced. Papers essentially reflect their readership and vice versa. The Torygraph will be slightly more interesting in this regard, but I'd expect the Editor (vs. the Barclay brothers) to set direction. The press is broadly Eurosceptic, but I'd suggest the country is too (chicken or egg?):

As further evidence of this, some fascinating splits are emerging today. The MoS is going for Remain (no surprises there), and I expect that DM will go for Leave (not announced yet). The Times announced for Remain today, and the Sunday Times is going for Leave (quite surprising). Editors set the direction.

[shaunbhoy]

I wonder what the breakdown is on here of the Remain camp in terms of just what proportion of them actually still reside in the UK?
Not that I feel they are not entitled to have an opinion, but just from the point of view that they may well be less informed and aware of many of the things that are driving so many people from a whole range of political flavours to consider an OUT vote so seriously.

I believe that it is a frustration with their political leaders, who similarly are out of touch with their concerns, that is breeding disenchantment with the whole political elite.
It might well prove to be the case that a vote that goes against what most of these leaders of various hues expect will really shake things up and force a real change in our entire democratic process. Not before time too.