Brexit

[SueEllen]

If you look back in the thread he states:

"Interesting that old people dislike immigrants even more than they like high house prices."

What actually is going on is people on the ground in these areas are understandably worried about having no say in the way their area is dramatically changing. Like it or not, different cultures do things differently and we now have problems - such as FGM I mentioned - that didn't exist before. It's easy to cry racism - which the 'dislike immigrants' bit is - when you're sitting well out of the way of 'the action'. Labour and Conservatives wonder why they are dropping votes to 'racist' UKIP. I wonder how on earth they can't see it. Perhaps that’s the same with relatively highly paid CUKers?

FGM has existed since before we had a British Empire. It was banned in the UK in 1985. For something to be banned here there would have been cases in the UK and a campaign years before that to get it banned, so the campaign would have happened when these old people were middle aged or even young.

It only gained publicity more recently due to campaigners getting it in the public eye simply because British officials did SFA to enforce the law.

And yes some old people are scared of immigrants.

[scooterscot]

I do not get a vote to elect the EU Commission, either its President or any individual member.

The EU Commission proposes laws and sets direction for the EU. It is the EU's executive and its most senior decision making body. These definitions are all confirmed by the EU Commission web site.

The EU Commission is therefore the only executive in the free world that is not elected by citizens under full suffrage. Also it is the only executive (I think) that faces no official opposition, (called a "shadow" government in the UK). In contrast, the citizens of all Western nations can remove their governments entirely every few years, under universal suffrage.

Exactly how is that different from the house of Lords? They pass our laws and we don't get a say who should be a member. Those peers often sit through many UK governments.

[SueEllen]

Of course. A Remain vote keeps Cameron and Osborne at the helm for at least 4 more years. What is their record like in tackling zero hours contracts, for example? 6 years on and fook all improvement.

Why would Osborne or any government tackle zero hours contracts when it's what big business wants?

[filthy1980]

always quite liked john oliver (might have something to do with the fact that he's a brumie & LFC fan)

don't think it was that great a takedown of the Brexit argument though, plenty of his points could be countered

like the regulations thing, ok maybe it's not 109 pillow related regulations (some keyword searched "pillow" and jotted down the number of hits me thinks), but even if it's only half that number why does everything thing require regulation anyway

didn't tackle the sovereignty question either and admitted it's a bloated bureaucracy

[BrilloPad]

Why would Osborne or any government tackle zero hours contracts when it's what big business wants?

A Labour government would soon sort it out.

[SueEllen]

A Labour government would soon sort it out.

Yeah right.

[diseasex]

Im shorting pound at 1.4647

[unixman]

It's a good argument if you want to preserve workers' rights such as: maternity entitlement; discrimination protection; holiday entitlement; agency workers’ rights

No argument can make voting for less democracy a good idea.

If you wish to obtain these things, now and in the future, the democratic way is the best way. A reconstituted EU state, led by a vibrant and fully democratic Commission, could one day provide these things for every EU citizen, as well as being a powerful force for good across the World. Choose that. Choose full democracy.

[SunnyInHades]

GBP/EUR
Stabilized with slight dropping trend
If bought GBP at 0800, still quids in
If bought GBP after 0940 high chance of loss

FTSE100
Looks like FTSE100 on quite a down incline since lunch, looks like it peaked at 13:53 (6236)

Currently 6198
If bought at 0800, still quids in
If bought after 1150, losing shirt

Looks like some nice 'buy at opening, afternoon profit taking' for some,
If only all days had that pattern !

[unixman]

Exactly how is that different from the house of Lords? They pass our laws and we don't get a say who should be a member. Those peers often sit through many UK governments.

Good point. However, we don't have to decide the Lords' future in Thursday. Also, being a second chamber the HoL does not have the EU Commission's executive or decision making powers.