Brexit immigration

[ClothCap]

I think I have understood it. Voting no does not make immigration go away and reintroduces cheap non-eu labour. The 'controlled' bit is a smokescreen that will be fudged to allow cheap labour eventually as that is the driving force for mass immigration anyway.

[VectraMan]

Left out? What part of net migration don't you understand? I've worked all over the world, in countries with widely varying immigration systems. Funny that. If you're worth your tulipe, it's not a problem. Just some additional admin. I'm looking forward to having my "opportunities limited".

Nobody mentioned net migration. All the talk is about immigration controls; importing the people we need. I don't disagree with that; it would of course be better that way. But what we have with the EU is different to what we have with say India. We have a right of two way migration, and as much as it would be better if it was a little less in one direction more than the other, overall I think that's a good thing in the same way that free trade is a good thing. I'd like to see the same with more countries; Australia and New Zealand for example, but only if it's a reciprocal agreement. I wouldn't mind at all the opportunity to go work in one of those places for a year or two to see what it's like, but as it is I'm probably too old to qualify (at 44). However I can get into another 31 countries at any age for any reason. Until that is you take it away because you're alright jack.

The rich and/or highly qualified can probably go wherever they like. This is more about ordinary people, and they have the most to gain from the EU and the most to lose from Brexit.

[Forgotmylogin]

Like an Australian points based system which has in fact increased immigration: United Nations Population Division | Department of Economic and Social Affairs

Yes, Australia decided that they needed to increase immigration, so they increased the number of visas issued.
If they decide to reduce the number of visa they issue then they can do that also.

What's your point?

[VectraMan]

Yes, because at the moment any retirees expressing an interest in going to any country outside the EU are locked up and held in internment camps.

If you can't get out then the UK is in effect one big internment camp. I don't want to live in one.

[Forgotmylogin]

If you can't get out then the UK is in effect one big internment camp. I don't want to live in one.

The point is... duh duh duuuunnnn.... They can get out.

You seem to be suggesting that if free movement of people to the EU was removed then people wouldn't be able to leave the UK.

You do realise how thick that makes you?

[Eirikur]

So listening to Farage and co it seems that they aren't against immigration, just EU immigration.

In fact all brexiteers seem hell bent on reinstating commonwealth immigration, in particular from India.

Sure they mutter things about points-based systems, but we know how those types of controls can be fiddled with.

So is an 'out' vote really just a vote for fast-track visas and intra-company transfers a la 2003?

I wonder if you ask the average UKIP supporter. if you have to choose would you prefer an immigrant from Sweden or Pakistan, what would you choose?

[DodgyAgent]

Nobody mentioned net migration. All the talk is about immigration controls; importing the people we need. I don't disagree with that; it would of course be better that way. But what we have with the EU is different to what we have with say India. We have a right of two way migration, and as much as it would be better if it was a little less in one direction more than the other, overall I think that's a good thing in the same way that free trade is a good thing. I'd like to see the same with more countries; Australia and New Zealand for example, but only if it's a reciprocal agreement. I wouldn't mind at all the opportunity to go work in one of those places for a year or two to see what it's like, but as it is I'm probably too old to qualify (at 44). However I can get into another 31 countries at any age for any reason. Until that is you take it away because you're alright jack.

The rich and/or highly qualified can probably go wherever they like. This is more about ordinary people, and they have the most to gain from the EU and the most to lose from Brexit.

Virtue signalling
How the ***** would you know what "ordinary people" want?. It is no coincidence that the privileged elite of politics, quangos and government want us to remain presumably because they know what is best for "ordinary people". have you tried asking the average working class Brit what he/she wants? i think you will find that despite the cheap holidays they want out.

[LondonManc]

Immigration is a bit of a big beast to look at on its own.

Neither Brexit nor Remain have said how they're going to tackle illegal immigration, which is more of an issue.

[DimPrawn]

I wonder if you ask the average UKIP supporter. if you have to choose would you prefer an immigrant from Sweden or Pakistan, what would you choose?

Here we go, calling the race card.

[DodgyAgent]

Here we go, calling the race card.

It depends on the Norks