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[bobspud]

Now the part about BREXIT I don't understand is why you don't take steers in your hand and lead europe where you want it to be? Nobody seem to be willing to discuss problems with EU. But your solution is a divorce without talking

Because most of the problems within the EU suit someone else's agenda and they have no real wish to fix them regardless how they are led.

Lets not forget that we also have an illustrious history of leading the pack to get what we want and after owning a fairly expansive empire of subjugated unhappy natives we decided it wasn't a good idea and self determination was a better outcome for all.

[diseasex]

Because most of the problems within the EU suit someone else's agenda and they have no real wish to fix them regardless how they are led.

Lets not forget that we also have an illustrious history of leading the pack to get what we want and after owning a fairly expansive empire of subjugated unhappy natives we decided it wasn't a good idea and self determination was a better outcome for all.

typical brexiters rubbish. Give me an example please!

[BlasterBates]

The problem is that you can just throw the anchor and sail the UK off to Asia, the UK is kind of stuck to Europe whether you like it or not. The idea that all your "local" trade takes a week on a ship is not going to lead to a "dynamic" economy.

[OwlHoot]

You need to think wider than one argument at a time... 10% unemployment is going to be a walk in the park in coming decades... I work in Cloud architecture and I can more or less wipe out the need for service desks, first, second and third line support just by using tools like RightScale, Puppet or Chef properly... companies like IBM and HP are still talking about cloud with a massive service wrapper around it but the truth is 98% their sorry asses can be lost for ever. Thats not out to india, thats why the **** do I want someone watching a dashboard when AWS cloud formation can just say its not working properly terminate and respawn the service in minutes...

Most of IT can now be automated completely and your average team of 200 will end up as no more than 10. Sod outsourcing ruining your career I can do it from an office in the west country. For those of you sat wondering why its not going that way where you are working is because you are already surrounded by tomorrows losers. Somewhere else there is a team doing better things faster than you can and they will eat your lunch soon.

Count the trucks rumpling around on the M11 and then think about the fact that they are 5 -10 years nearer autonomous trucks than cars now think about the services that support the wetware driving them today.

Uber are in talks to buy S-classes that are autonomous. More people screwed.

High unemployment is a given so we need to be able to find a way to support that level. Eurocrats are just another layer of money we can't afford just like that poor couple that can't survive on 200k You live on a quarter of that by cutting out the unnecessary crap. The same is coming for the rest of us...

We need Migrants today because too many people think there are better jobs out there for them. Pretty soon emptying an bin or serving a pint is going to look pretty damn enticing for a lot more people...

This is absolutely spot on.

Within forty years tops, the whole World economic model, based on full(ish) employment, will have to change more than it has since, literally, the last ice age!

That is yet another reason it is so misguided and short sighted to want to stuff the UK and Western countries generally with millions of immigrants. In two or three decades they (and most of us come to that) will be worse than useless, and crowded countries will face massive social problems, especially as our energy policy is equally short sighed and ineffectual.

As the corny, but all too true, saying goes "The Devil makes work for idle hands to do". ..

[diseasex]

This is absolutely spot on.

In forty years tops, the whole World economic model, based on full(ish) employment, will have to change more than it has since, literally, the last ice age!

That is yet another reason it is so misguided and short sighted to want to stuff the UK and Western countries generally with millions of immigrants. In two or three decades they (and most of us come to that) will be worse than useless, and crowded countries will face massive social problems, especially as our energy policy is equally short sighed and ineffectual.

As the corny, but all too true, saying goes "The Devil makes work for idle hands to do". ..

False, there were few times in history where technological advances resulted in elimination of certain sectors completely , rendering many people unemployed. it always came to balance, resulting , maybe, in shorter work time perhaps.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno...l_unemployment

[bobspud]

typical brexiters rubbish. Give me an example please!

We bent over backwards to destroy our fishing industry (I have relatives from a fishing village) The quotas and throw back was a tremendous **** up but like idiots we manned the docks and enforced the spirit of the law. By comparison France and Spain just didn't bother enforcing the law at all.

[diseasex]

We bent over backwards to destroy our fishing industry (I have relatives from a fishing village) The quotas and throw back was a tremendous **** up but like idiots we manned the docks and enforced the spirit of the law. By comparison France and Spain just didn't bother enforcing the law at all.

hahahaha "fishing industry"
And what your relatives are doing now , may I ask?

[bobspud]

False, there were few times in history where technological advances resulted in elimination of certain sectors completely , rendering many people unemployed. it always came to balance, resulting , maybe, in shorter work time perhaps.

But this time its different. The rich have always regarded the plebes on their land as a necessary evil. After the black death. skilled workmanship was in short supply and it made many master craftsmen rich beyond compare for the time. This was where you start to get the guilds of the mastercrafts set up to protect the newly enriched craftsmen's skills and interests.

It wasn't until the industrial revolution and the destruction of the weaving industry in favour of the factory owners that things were put back in their place so to speak.

This week McDonalds came out and said well if the minimum wage gets much higher it will be cheaper to buy the $35,000 robot as that works full time and doesn't need wages...

Don't for one moment think things are going to end well for you...

[eek]

But this time its different. The rich have always regarded the plebes on their land as a necessary evil. After the black death. skilled workmanship was in short supply and it made many master craftsmen rich beyond compare for the time. This was where you start to get the guilds of the mastercrafts set up to protect the newly enriched craftsmen's skills and interests.

It wasn't until the industrial revolution and the destruction of the weaving industry in favour of the factory owners that things were put back in their place so to speak.

This week McDonalds came out and said well if the minimum wage gets much higher it will be cheaper to buy the $35,000 robot as that works full time and doesn't need wages...

Don't for one moment think things are going to end well for you...

+1. Previously its always been the case that as some jobs disappeared, others were created.

I'm not 100% sure that's true anymore. If that machine is $35,000 now it will shortly be $20,000 at which point the only reason for employing people will be because you want to employ them rather than because you have to...

[bobspud]

hahahaha "fishing industry"
And what your relatives are doing now , may I ask?

Retail and legacy businesses that they have had for years but whatever it is it can't compete with the rise in house prices and destruction of communities. I find it odd that you think that its funny that the fishing industry has been decimated and reduced by a few big fish, yet you don't see that I can do the same to you with a few well written scripts...
or one more turn in policy locks out your specialist investment vehicle and your plans are decimated in an afternoon.