Good news for Britain!

[vetran]

And I totally disagree with this. The UK can fill those jobs with better training. A while ago I spoke to a bus driver who had done a year training course in coding, but could not get a job. I bet there are plenty of overseas coders doing the job he could have done.

Similarly for nuclear power stations. Why involve foreigners?

The UK is a small island and is full.

not sure I agree, there is some logic in getting the best for the top jobs as one great designer, businessman or inventor can literally drive an industry.

e.g. Dyson, Brunel, Ferrari, Wittle, Conran.

Just as great minds can drive research. I want the best cancer experts here attracting worldwide funding.

Now why we have to import mediocre at the mid to bottom end of the scale and undercut locals I have no idea. Truly outstanding people in mid range yes as they will develop to top end. See even Alexei is doing well.

[BrilloPad]

not sure I agree, there is some logic in getting the best for the top jobs as one great designer, businessman or inventor can literally drive an industry.

e.g. Dyson, Brunel, Ferrari, Wittle, Conran.

Just as great minds can drive research. I want the best cancer experts here attracting worldwide funding.

Now why we have to import mediocre at the mid to bottom end of the scale and undercut locals I have no idea. Truly outstanding people in mid range yes as they will develop to top end. See even Alexei is doing well.

I don't think the people in the office below Alexei are doing that well.

Its great to have Dyson in the UK. And disgraceful that he has to manufacture abroad.

[DodgyAgent]

And I totally disagree with this. The UK can fill those jobs with better training. A while ago I spoke to a bus driver who had done a year training course in coding, but could not get a job. I bet there are plenty of overseas coders doing the job he could have done.

Similarly for nuclear power stations. Why involve foreigners?

The UK is a small island and is full.

The ability to select means we can simply not select anyone

[DodgyAgent]

not sure I agree, there is some logic in getting the best for the top jobs as one great designer, businessman or inventor can literally drive an industry.

e.g. Dyson, Brunel, Ferrari, Wittle, Conran.

Just as great minds can drive research. I want the best Penis enlarger experts here attracting worldwide funding.

Now why we have to import mediocre at the mid to bottom end of the scale and undercut locals I have no idea. Truly outstanding people in mid range yes as they will develop to top end. See even Alexei is doing well.

[VectraMan]

Having your own border controls and how effective those border controls are . - Are both entirely separate issues. according to the logic of this stupid idiot a law that cannot be enforced 100% should be abandoned

It's not about border controls at all, it's about whether people have the right to work and stay. Unless you're planning to turn the UK into a police state and spend 50% of GDP on an anti-immigration police force there's no practical way to hunt down anyone who gets in (even legitimately) and doesn't leave when they're meant to.

In practical terms Brexit will change nothing at the border. More than likely we'll enter into a visa-free travel arrangement with EU countries, and to do otherwise would just cost billions in beureacracy and 99% of visas would get approved anyway. The "take back control of our borders" brigade are talking nonsense; to keep trade and tourism the borders will be no less open than they are now.

All you can actually achieve is make it impossible for the same EU migrants to pay taxes in the UK. Which is why the US has largely given up pretending it can keep out the illegals, with the exception of those dumb enough to believe Trump's claims about "taking control of our borders".

[BlasterBates]

Perhaps we could find an example in world of a country where there is aging population, no immigration a refusal to join trading blocks and everyone is getting richer.

Now if you can find one, that would be a very good argument for Brexit with tightly controlled immigration.

[OwlHoot]

Its great to have Dyson in the UK. And disgraceful that he has to manufacture abroad.

ISTR a few years ago he was petulantly demanding to concrete over literally hundreds of acres of prime Wiltshire farmland to build factories and warehouses for his cheap tat, and in a sulk when consent was refused set up shop abroad.

Good riddance I say, if that was the case, when there are plenty of brown field sites available for factories, and doubtless for that matter disused factories.

(although I may be thinking of someone else)

[DodgyAgent]

It's not about border controls at all, it's about whether people have the right to work and stay. Unless you're planning to turn the UK into a police state and spend 50% of GDP on an anti-immigration police force there's no practical way to hunt down anyone who gets in (even legitimately) and doesn't leave when they're meant to.

In practical terms Brexit will change nothing at the border. More than likely we'll enter into a visa-free travel arrangement with EU countries, and to do otherwise would just cost billions in beureacracy and 99% of visas would get approved anyway. The "take back control of our borders" brigade are talking nonsense; to keep trade and tourism the borders will be no less open than they are now.

All you can actually achieve is make it impossible for the same EU migrants to pay taxes in the UK. Which is why the US has largely given up pretending it can keep out the illegals, with the exception of those dumb enough to believe Trump's claims about "taking control of our borders".

Which I agree with. As far as the police state is concerned this is where I have a problem. Despite the "technicalities" of having a Democracy in the EU (as arguably every African state has) we are walking into an Orwellian world run by unelected bureaucrats (or at best those that are divvied up by our political leaders) . It is not the EU that should be removed but the people within it and the way it is constructed and run should be changed. My own view is that we should grasp this nettle now and bring it down and rebuild or reform it. If we remain the EU will expand its power and close in on itself.