Excellent article by Liam Fox on EU

[sasguru]

The point, Mr ASSguru, is that sometimes a bit of faith is required, without the solution known in advance.

I have zero faith in the current ruling classes of whatever party.
And if you do, you're a fool.

[PurpleGorilla]

So your argument for leaving is "trust me it will be better, I don't know the details but why not risk everything just on faith"?

Yes.

[d000hg]

Well, to be fair, Canada is a major economy. I'm just waiting for confirmation as to whether Canada's Financial Services will have full access to the single market.

What do we do for the ten years it takes to sort out such a model?

[d000hg]

Yes.

That's why the vote is going to end up being strongly in favour of Remaining... people aren't going to rock the boat without a clear path showing why it is worth the risk and upheaval.

[sasguru]

Because Germany, as a founding member, has sucked the marrow out of every new country that has joined.

How has it done that? It was the leading industrial power well before the EU from the 50s onwards, although I concede it has also done well from the Euro.
Point being it is pursued a sound economic strategy rather than rely on financial shenninigans and artficial house prices rises.
You of anyone, as a victim of this country's economic policy, should know this, but you don't seem to be drawing the correct conlcusions.

[Old Greg]

So your argument for leaving is "trust me it will be better, I don't know the details but why not risk everything just on faith"?

Not quite. It's more:

Trust me and all my fellow cretins, it will be better, I don't know the details but why not risk everything just on faith.

[VectraMan]

If Estonia has an agreement with Portugal, is that one or two agreements?

Got you.

I hereby promise never to try to do maths on this forum again.

[PurpleGorilla]

That's why the vote is going to end up being strongly in favour of Remaining... people aren't going to rock the boat without a clear path showing why it is worth the risk and upheaval.

I agree.

[PurpleGorilla]

Not quite. It's more:

There is no need to call people cretins just because they have a different view and will vote a different way.

[Old Greg]

I didn't think that could possibly be even close to being right.

It's 991 surely, i.e. 32 states each have 31 agreements. The point is still valid: that's billions spent on civil servants and years and years of effort. It's hugely more efficient to work together, something the outies never take into account when moaning about the money we "waste" on the EU. Even negotiating one agreement with the rest of the EU won't be simple and won't be free.

Got you.

I hereby promise never to try to do maths on this forum again.

How about you tell us what 32 x 31 equals?