New contract within IR35 by default?

[LondonManc]

This remark may have been in jest, but it made me wonder, does anybody ever quote two rates to an agency one in case the contract falls Inside and one outside of IR35?

So far it's one very risk adverse agency implementing it. To the OP you only real option is to walk away but apologize to the end client (I.e. Call the person who interviewed you and explain that due to the unwillingness of the agency to provide an acceptable contract you can't accept the contract).

That then Gives them the chance to bin people source off their supplier list and allow you to select someone else. I doubt it would work but you never know..

There will be too many permatractors and bob showaddiwaddis who will blindly sign the contract.

[GB9]

[QUOTE=northernladuk;2241928]OK, we'll have to beg to differ. The client has a requirement for some work to be done and he has a budget to cover it. That's it IMO.





Actually, i agree with what you are saying. Client wants a worker within ir35 for a fixed budget. Take it or leave it.

But is that what they really want or as someone else posted, are they risk adverse, badly advised or just honest about their requirement? Either way, the likely outcome is that they will get a different group of candidates as a result.

[GB9]

There will be too many permatractors and bob showaddiwaddis who will blindly sign the contract.

Yes

[suityou01]

Does the client want someone under ir35 or is the agency just utterly risk adverse with a crap legal advisor?

To be fair it smells like HR have a hand in this one.

[Mordac]

This remark may have been in jest, but it made me wonder, does anybody ever quote two rates to an agency one in case the contract falls Inside and one outside of IR35?

Yes. Always. It tends to sharpen the mind of both agency and client when the day rate shifts by around £100. Doesn't always work, mind, but these days I tend not to use agencies at all, but that said, some agencies are more helpful than others.

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To be fair it smells like HR have a hand in this one.

Where is the comment in the op's posts that show as much.

HR won't like this. SDC will push temporary workers far too close to employees for their comfort.

Trust me this stuff is giving both my brother and sister in law nightmares (they are both senior hr bods with masters in employment law).

Remember there are two sides to every battle and the phrase "could these SDC changes result in more people claiming employee rights or more tribunals" works wonders...

Im looking forward to the weekend when I can discuss parasol still allowing their employees to claim expenses...

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Yes. Always. It tends to sharpen the mind of both agency and client when the day rate shifts by around £100. Doesn't always work, mind, but these days I tend not to use agencies at all, but that said, some agencies are more helpful than others.

Only £100? Mine was 50% more. It focused their minds completely.

[GB9]

There will be too many permatractors and bob showaddiwaddis who will blindly sign the contract.

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[Mordac]

Only £100? Mine was 50% more. It focused their minds completely.

If I put mine up by 50% I'd be approaching Accenture rates territory, and they'd tell me to do one. £100 covers me for increased NI, and the lack of expenses etc. IMHO we are all being slowly but surely shafted out of existence, the greedier we get the quicker it will happen. You know what they say about death and taxes - it's a right bugger when you get both at the same time...

[Echo1234]

Latest update.
Just called agency to let them know I won't take on the contract. They are still pushing the line that all agencies and contractors will be working in the same way from now on, everyone will be within IR35. Anyway just told them only way I can take on the job is if it is not within IR35 for it to be worth while to me, he has now gone to speak to his supervisor. Not really holding out much hope, time to move on...