After a Brexit your todger will fall off

[unixman]

what did it say in short?

Gove just gave a good picture of the EU project as a whole, its history and what leaving would mean. He noted the way that member states are being funneled (my word) into handing over more and more powers, bound by their own laws, agreements, and "laws" passed by the EU, which I personally found rather alarming. At one point he called the EU a "false" government (he used a much better word than false), and pointed out it had little or no electroral mandate from citizens.

NB To anyone wanting to cross examine me on the above - I'm for Brexit, but not interested in defending what Gove said, so save the wear on your keycaps.

[diseasex]

I think if we had USA model in EU it would benefit us all . Single government etc . But before that happens there should be better mix of population (ie different nationalities spread across EU) and single/dual language.

just as secession of US states was prevented by mostly war , "secession" of the uk should be prevented to .
They live happily after

[VectraMan]

Gove just gave a good picture of the EU project as a whole, its history and what leaving would mean. He noted the way that member states are being funneled (my word) into handing over more and more powers, bound by their own laws, agreements, and "laws" passed by the EU, which I personally found rather alarming. At one point he called the EU a "false" government (he used a much better word than false), and pointed out it had little or no electroral mandate from citizens.

NB To anyone wanting to cross examine me on the above - I'm for Brexit, but not interested in defending what Gove said, so save the wear on your keycaps.

I'd listen if I could find it. Stupid internet.

I found this summary:

Brexit could spark democratic liberation of continent, says Gove | Politics | The Guardian

Speaking at the headquarters of Vote Leave, just across the river from the Houses of Parliament, he ridiculed the idea – clearly set out by the prime minister – that the government would immediately trigger article 50 of the Lisbon treaty, which would set a two-year timetable for negotiating an exit deal.

“Preliminary, informal conversations would take place with the EU to explore how best to proceed,” he insisted. “It would not be in any nation’s interest artificially to accelerate the process and no responsible government would hit the start button on a two-year legal process without preparing appropriately.”

Sounds like they want to take years, and possibly decades over the process, and then if he's right about the EU reforming then maybe we won't want to leave. That's how certain the Leave campaign are.

[jamesbrown]

Gove just gave a good picture of the EU project as a whole, its history and what leaving would mean. He noted the way that member states are being funneled (my word) into handing over more and more powers, bound by their own laws, agreements, and "laws" passed by the EU, which I personally found rather alarming. At one point he called the EU a "false" government (he used a much better word than false), and pointed out it had little or no electroral mandate from citizens.

NB To anyone wanting to cross examine me on the above - I'm for Brexit, but not interested in defending what Gove said, so save the wear on your keycaps.

I listened to the speech. He talks a good game, and it was well-pitched and delivered confidently. As a strong advocate for Leave, I can still see the fundamental problem we face in convincing undecided voters, namely that it isn't clear precisely what trading deals we'll get, as there's no good historical precedent (whether Switzerland, Norway, Canada or anything else). For this reason, there's a tendency for Leavers to tie themselves up in knots and contradict each other over the anticipated trading arrangement and the negotiated balance between single-market (or tariff-free) access versus free movement. These arguments really don't concern me, as the decision we're making is a fundamentally democratic one, for the long-term, not about GDP within the margin of forecasting error (which is very unevenly distributed in relation to those most impacted by immigration). That said, I'm a realist, and I believe that a majority of voters will be swayed by the short-term economic arguments; the polling certainly indicates this (when voters are asked about losing trivial sums).

[Unix]

Waste of time discussing it, it will be remain by a large margin.

[SunnyInHades]

From
https://www.gov.uk/eu-eea

"The European Union (EU) is an economic and political union of 28 countries. It operates an internal (or single) market which allows free movement of goods, capital, services and people between member states.
<snip>
The European Economic Area (EEA)
The EEA includes EU countries and also Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. It allows them to be part of the EU’s single market.
Switzerland is neither an EU nor EEA member but is part of the single market - this means Swiss nationals have the same rights to live and work in the UK as other EEA nationals.
"

WTF - political union already stated on a gov web site !
Rather than facing a 'Gideon apocalypse' surely the UK could adopt a Swiss/EEA style model post Brexit (if it chose to, or indeed sometime else that better meets our needs)

[Platypus]

Waste of time discussing it, it will be remain by a large margin.

I fear you are correct

[Martin Scroatman]

I fear you are correct

Stupid, selfish people.

We best have our kicks before the whole sh!thouse goes up then.

[jamesbrown]

Waste of time discussing it, it will be remain by a large margin.

I'm expecting 56/44. I'm hoping for, say, 52/48 or something that would give the Tories license to implode

[BrilloPad]

I'm expecting 56/44. I'm hoping for, say, 52/48 or something that would give the Tories license to implode

I am hoping for a 50/50 with AndyW's mum.