Tory MP says non-wealthy are "low-achievers"

[BrilloPad]

No they don't.

So you deny being a cretin who only measures a person's worth by how much money them have?

[sasguru]

So you deny being a cretin who only measures a person's worth by how much money them have?

What are you Jamaican now?

I've never measured a person's worth by their money.
If that were true, you'd have observed me lauding the likes of Beckham and Terry by now.
On the other hand, I intensely dislike envious, feckless lefties.
For that reason I'll take Cameron over Corbyn any day.

[BrilloPad]

I'll take Cameron over Corbyn any day.

Enough of your sexual fantasies please.

[bobspud]

A big issue is that there is no true definition of wealth: it is a matter of perception.

EG: as a permie I earn c£50k, now for most of you (allegedly) that’s a poor wage.
For my peers that’s a bit above the Norm
For my family that’s a fortune.

As things are: I can pay my bills, live in a nice part of town, have treats & generally not have to worry about daily costs.
I have decided that I don’t want to go any higher up the food chain & to stay as I am.

I consider myself to be neither wealthy nor poor & I am generally happy with life.

So does that mean I am a low-achiever?

Its a fair way to think about life. However, in my twenties I knew far too many guys in their late 40's with that mentality. Their 10 year plan was cruise to 60 and retire early with their pensions, only to find that what they wanted in life didn't make good business sense for the shareholders and then they got to meet the Job Centre in their 50's.

Regardless of wealth creation, if you don't move forward then you become dead wood and thats when the problems start.

[BrilloPad]

On the other hand, I intensely dislike envious, feckless lefties.

I also dislike lazy people. I dislike people who earn lots of money for doing little, especially where rules are rigged in their favour. And people who apply labels to others like "left" and "right".

[BrilloPad]

Its a fair way to think about life. However, in my twenties I knew far too many guys in their late 40's with that mentality. Their 10 year plan was cruise to 60 and retire early with their pensions, only to find that what they wanted in life didn't make good business sense for the shareholders and then they got to meet the Job Centre in their 50's.

But at least they got a house out of it - probably a final salary pension too.

Generation Y will struggle to get a house.

[sasguru]

Generation Y will struggle to get a house.

Why is getting a house a human right or a "good thing"?
In most of Europe, owning a house is the exception rather than the rule.
Arguably it makes people more rigid economically, as they are not so flexible.
We've lived in a time in the UK when house ownership was the norm, it may be we're moving to a time when it isn't.
If my kids live a society where renting is the norm, and that's what they do, so be it.
It may be a bit more healthy psychologically.
What needs to be done is regulation of the rental sector like in Germany or even the US.

[vetran]

The last resort of the fraud: virtue signalling.
I'm more superior than thou because I am more compassionate.
You know nothing about me.

we do know you constantly accuse others less fortunate than you of being feckless, stupid and idle.

I would argue that makes you less compassionate.

[sasguru]

we do know you constantly accuse [some] others less [hard-working] than you of being feckless, stupid and idle.

I would argue that makes you [realistic].

You have a logic failure. I've added the relevant qualifications and changes to your statement that would make it true.

[DimPrawn]

You two dullards finished bickering yet?