To all of you still dumb enough to call yourself a Labour supporter...

[d000hg]

Actually peace is achieved by owning the biggest stick and then using it to beat just enough of the opposition to death that the those remaining decide that behaving themselves and talking is going to be better for them than being the next head under the stick....

Nope. That's exactly the environment in which underground movements START. Especially when people view their cause as being worth dying for, the threat of likely death is not an ultimate deterrent.

Even in larger conflicts you're not correct... WW1 did not end in peace and neither did WW2. Neither did quashing Iraq.

[DodgyAgent]

She looks like someone who's had one coffee too many as it is:



But then again, it was said in a jocular manner highlighting the point that bombing isn't having much effect and maybe other areas should be pursued. Maybe reading beyond a right wing headline is too difficult for some

What do you suggest then? The problem is that we cannot go far enough thanks to leftie hypocrites.

[DodgyAgent]

Nope. That's exactly the environment in which underground movements START. Especially when people view their cause as being worth dying for, the threat of likely death is not an ultimate deterrent.

Even in larger conflicts you're not correct... WW1 did not end in peace and neither did WW2. Neither did quashing Iraq.

That is a stupid argument

No they did not but WW2 put an end to the tyranny of Hitler and the Nazis which ended the mass slaughter of people across Europe.

[BrilloPad]

Nope. That's exactly the environment in which underground movements START. Especially when people view their cause as being worth dying for, the threat of likely death is not an ultimate deterrent.

Even in larger conflicts you're not correct... WW1 did not end in peace and neither did WW2. Neither did quashing Iraq.

WW1 lead to WW2. But, as far as I am aware, there has been no WW3. If there has, can someone tell suity please?

Where Corbyn and the green party really miss out is why there has been no WW3. It is entirely down to nuclear weapons. The UK should not give them up.

And we need a few nuclear power stations for when the wind does not blow. Global wind is not as predictable as Zeity's farts.

[d000hg]

That is a stupid argument

No they did not but WW2 put an end to the tyranny of Hitler and the Nazis which ended the mass slaughter of people across Europe.

WW1 lead to WW2. But, as far as I am aware, there has been no WW3. If there has, can someone tell suity please?

I'm not saying WW2 shouldn't have happened. But it certainly did not end in peace. We've had decades of unrest and instability due to hurts caused when things were settled by force.

Fighting Hitler is different to fighting IS anyway - by engaging IS and killing them, you only strengthen the arguments they adhere to.

[LondonManc]

Can we not just send her and Jezza to go and have a cuppa with them?

[NotAllThere]

... by engaging IS and killing them, you only strengthen the arguments they adhere to.

No. You don't. The Islamic state is intended to be a Caliphate. According to their own rules they must:

a) Always be engaging in armed conflict somewhere
b) Continually be enlarging their territory.

It is the second that gives legitimacy to their cause in the eyes of many Islamic fundamentalists. It is simple logic that if you beat the crap out of them and take their land, they will lose their legitimacy among the extremists, and lose their support.

Negotiating with the IRA was negotiating with people who were after a particular end, and in the end offering them a way of achieving it peacefully.

ISIS is not trying to win freedom for their people. They're not trying to establish a state based on their own values (no matter how abhorent to us). Their goal is war. That's what they want. There is nothing to negotiate. We have to give them defeat.

[VectraMan]

Where Corbyn and the green party really miss out is why there has been no WW3. It is entirely down to nuclear weapons. The UK should not give them up.

40 years of cold war followed WW2, and that didn't end by force. The closest we ever came to all out WW3 was avoided because of Krushchev and Kennedy having a cup of tea, well talking anyway. After that they established the Moscow-Washington hotline so they could have regular chats over tea and biscuits.

We have nuclear weapons now, and it's no use at all against ISIS, just as it was no use at all against the IRA. Even Thatcher saw the benefit of talking to the IRA when nuking Belfast would have ended the conflict in minutes.

It turns out having a really big stick is useless.

[Dactylion]

There is nothing to negotiate. We have to give them defeat.

Martin Scroatman - threatening violence. 7 days.

Threatening vs Advocating/Supporting

Ironing perchance?

[NotAllThere]

Threatening vs Advocating/Supporting

Ironing perchance?

Only if you have the intellect of a concussed bee.