Russia and Syria

[LondonManc]

Yeah, bombing hospitals with unguided bombs day after day without any remorse or investigation IS being a bad guy, never mind lots of other bad things Russia has done under Putin (and before) - let's not forget that Putin is the first to annex neighbour's territory in Europe after Hitler, and by the way UK and USA (and Russia ironically) guaranteed territorial integrity of Ukraine, which in my book means providing all military assistance necessary in order to return the territory back to rightful owner.

We're in a bit of a bubble of stability at the moment. Has to come to an end at some point. Can't wait for BIG DON to get into the White House.

[ZARDOZ]

Yeah, bombing hospitals with unguided bombs day after day without any remorse or investigation

I believe that's what the good guys call collateral damage. We are being played.

[AtW]

I believe that's what the good guys call collateral damage. We are being played.

Collateral damage, eh?

Plenty of it when one bombs city blocks with cluster bombs, recent video:

Happened just few days ago in Aleppo, only Russian airforce bombs it.

[DodgyAgent]

Russia and China being made out to be the bad guys is all part of the plan for another war.

Really?? explain please Or is this just another bit of twisted moral equivalence hypocrisy from a self loathing leftie?

[SueEllen]

This is not the case. Turkey have their own agenda which doesn't include supporting ISIS (except where ISIS are killing Kurds).

Which is why I didn't expand my original sentence.

[Eirikur]

Russia and China being made out to be the bad guys is all part of the plan for another war.

Not sure how anyone can see Russia as being one of the good guys in this conflict and in the light of other recent events of land-grab and occupation

[SueEllen]

Depends - there are the Iraqi Kurds, Turkish Kurds and Syrian Kurds.

You couldnt make this up. Not even in a movie.

They also want a Kurdish home land.

Then if one of them gets it and they all move to it, there will be civil war. Not helped by the fact they aren't all the same religion and same religious denomination when they are.....

[AtW]

Not sure how anyone can see Russia as being one of the good guys in this conflict and in the light of other recent events of land-grab and occupation

Lenin coined a good phrase about people on the West that supported USSR (for whatever reason) - useful idiots.

He was spot on.

[AtW]

I believe that's what the good guys call collateral damage. We are being played.

Good guys in such cases:

1) use precision guided bombs to minimize collateral damage
2) accept responsibility for action rather than deny it (like Russia does - they blamed USA for the bombing on video)
3) investigate what and why happened, try to make sure it does not happen again
4) collateral damage isn't main thing that happens, ie it's rare rather than norm

[Troll]

West could and should have stopped Putin 16 years ago when he was turning Chechen capital city into this -

"Rule 1, on page 1 of the book of war, is: 'Do not march on Moscow'... ―Bernard Law Montgomery