Migration crisis is putting the UK at grave risk.

[stek]

And how do you propose to do that?

By having a few less nuclear warheads, not bothering building aircraft carriers that don't have any planes and not mobilising armed forces to testing weapons on people?

[NotAllThere]

Nobody is disputing that, many have a sound reason for leaving their own countries and I'd probably do the same in their shoes. But with 6bn people in the world and a significant proportion suffering from conflicts or repression it is not practical or reasonable...

Irrelevant. I was merely pointing out that suggesting that most asylum seekers in the UK are economic migrants is horse-feathers.

It was decided a long time ago that peaceful democratic countries have a duty to help people who are in genuine need. You think this a bad thing. I think it is a good thing... I might be glad of it one day!

[SpontaneousOrder]

I don't think anyone is forcing the government to cut benefits, so attempting to conflate the issue of asylum and the needs of the poor at home are disingenuous at best..

Uk is paying for all of this on the credit card. Do you dispute that fact?
That credit card must be paid off one day, or equivalent of bankruptcy must occur instead. Dispute this?

You already said elsewhere that there is poverty here and it must be removed.



So how do you calculate that paying for refugees & immigration does not increase that debt or hasten bankruptcy? Or do you suppose that neither of those things hurts our own poor? Or are you only interested in today's poor, and not the lives of the infant & unborn children we're mortgaging further to pay for these new expenses?

[SpontaneousOrder]

I was merely pointing out that suggesting that most asylum seekers in the UK are economic migrants is horse-feathers.

Are the majority of those not welcomed in the many countries they typically pass through, or might get to ore easily, to get here instead?

[stek]

Uk is paying for all of this on the credit card. Do you dispute that fact?
That credit card must be paid off one day, or equivalent of bankruptcy must occur instead. Dispute this?

Presumably the same credit card thats paying for Polaris and two pointless Aircraft Carriers that cost billions more than asylum seeker SODEXO cards - who eventually will form the cheap labour force the capitalist machine needs to feed itself anyway.

[SueEllen]

Uk is paying for all of this on the credit card. Do you dispute that fact?
That credit card must be paid off one day, or equivalent of bankruptcy must occur instead. Dispute this?

You already said elsewhere that there is poverty here and it must be removed.

Odd how with this austerity drive the current government is borrowing more.

So how do you calculate that paying for refugees & immigration does not increase that debt or hasten bankruptcy? Or do you suppose that neither of those things hurts our own poor? Or are you only interested in today's poor, and not the lives of the infant & unborn children we're mortgaging further to pay for these new expenses?

Economic migrants are healthy so can work and pay for themselves. In fact if it wasn't for some of the economic migrants who work in the NHS weren't here I know at least one person who would be dead simply because they know about diseases that people in the UK don't about. Oh a lot of these migrants do go home.

Refugees are the ones who need more help.

[NotAllThere]

Are the majority of those not welcomed in the many countries they typically pass through, or might get to ore easily, to get here instead?

Bloody foreigners. Can you at least make an attempt to write comprehensible English?

[SpontaneousOrder]

who eventually will form the cheap labour force the capitalist machine needs to feed itself anyway.

Not when the living wage comes in. They'll be the ones who can't find employment.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Bloody foreigners. Can you at least make an attempt to write comprehensible English?

If you can't work it out then any answer you give won't be worth more than a dog's fart. So no.

[xoggoth]

Economic migrants are healthy so can work and pay for themselves

If you look at the facts some migrant groups have significantly worse health on an age-related basis. There is a temporary advantage in that they are younger but they will get old too and will eventually require more care having contributed less. Eg South Asians are over 16% likely to have diabetes compared to under 3% in the general population and three times more likely to have heart disease.

Gene sequencing for Bangladeshi and Pakistani groups - BBC News

Other migrant and minority problems include visual impairment, high blood pressure, stroke, HIV, hepatitis, TB and mental problems... Links if you want them and none of them are from The Daily Mail.