Kicking Off in Paris Again

[EternalOptimist]

'Friendly fire' ?

Looks like someone left the stove on in Calaise

[Lola C]

this is what happens when you have open borders, allow immigrants to bring their full 'culture' into your country, allow them to set up their own schools and walk around with just their eyes showing.

Its also what happens when real concerns about certain religions or people's from some parts of the world are allowed to be untouchable as any comments about them are seen as racist.

Its widely known where these enclaves exist but Governments cant do much because other bleeding heart liberals wont allow it.

What's happened in France is appalling and its not isolated. As is widely acknowledged, the terrorist only needs to get lucky once.

ISIS strongholds in the middle east need to be anihilated one way or the other, the sooner the better.

Oh, and I dont give a **** if anyone thinks the above is 'racist.'

There is nothing wrong with bringing one's culture with them if this culture and its practices do not contradict the law in Britain. But allowing Sharia law that directly contradicts democracy is wrong. I was a bit shocked to find out that Sharia law is being practiced in the UK without any problems, as well as halal slaughter of animals.

[MicrosoftBob]

How do you spot a terrorist

You have a moral objection to liquor. You own a £3000 Machine Gun and £5000 Rocket Launcher .. but can’t afford shoes. You have more Wives than Teeth.

You can read .. but only have One book. You wipe your Butt with your bare hand .. but consider Bacon unclean.

You think vests come in 2 styles – Bulletproof & Suicidal.

You can’t think of anyone you haven’t waged Jihad against.

You consider Television dangerous .. yet routinely carry explosives in your clothing.

You have Nothing against Women – and Think every Man should own about 4.

You Think its wrong for Women to wear bikini’s at the Beach – yet OK to marry a 9 year old.

[Lola C]

Probably no different, because their entire argument is that intelligence collection of that sort has done precious little to actually thwart these sort of events, and can be misused for other purposes.

That is not their argument, at least not the ones' I have been discussing it with.
They oppose the security information gathering per se (not its consequent usage) because they think that is against people's personal freedom. Some of them even said that preserving the personal freedom is worth having to deal with possible terror attacks.

And I dont even mentioned the idiocy of saying that the intelligence collection does little to prevent this type of attack. How would they prove it? Do they know all the details of intelligence gathering and its use? Just stupid rethorics which stop as soon as THEIR children become victims of a terror attack.

[Zero Liability]

That is not their argument, at least not the ones' I have been discussing it with.
They oppose the security information gathering per se (not its consequent usage) because they think that is against people's personal freedom. Some of them even said that preserving the personal freedom is worth having to deal with possible terror attacks.

And I dont even mentioned the idiocy of saying that the intelligence collection does little to prevent this type of attack. How would they prove it? Do they know all the details of intelligence gathering and its use? Just stupid rethorics which stop as soon as THEIR children become victims of a terror attack.

I believe they are arguing that it is both a violation of personal freedoms and, in addition to that, ineffective. You can disagree with the people making these arguments but they're not "stupid".

Since you brought him up, I would have thought that Snowden knows a great deal more about how intelligence gathering and use works than most people.

[EternalOptimist]

Apparently Jihadi John has made a statement - 'you can see my house from up here'

[SpontaneousOrder]

Also, I would like to hear all those Snowden-apologists who insist that personal freedom is more important than personal security... what do they say now??

I'm sure they'd say that more people should take notice of people like him.

Western governments spend a fortune systematically destabilising middle eastern & north african countries, removing their institutions & empowering those that would see those institutions razed. And then you suppose these domestic issues are all because we don't keep enough secrets.

Anyone who thinks their government gives a single tulip about their safety is idiotic beyond belief. Empiricism demonstrates the exact opposite every single day.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Its also what happens when real concerns about certain religions or people's from some parts of the world are allowed to be untouchable as any comments about them are seen as racist.

Freedom to discriminate, by anyone, against anyone, for any reason, is essential to achieving a civilised society. And it's essential to maintain one.

We're ****ed.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Some of them even said that preserving the personal freedom is worth having to deal with possible terror attacks.

Of course it is. Anyone who thinks otherwise deserves neither freedom nor safety (and I wasn't trying to cite Franklin - it's just common sense).

People are happy to see many thousands of their young soldiers killed & maimed in the name of "freedom", but then when faced with the choice between freedom & domestic risk, they cry like little girls and give up their freedom.

Then they go down to the cenotaph and "pay their respects" to the fallen. Those traitors may as well be taking a piss on the monument. They don't deserve any fruits of those young men's sacrifice.

The world IS a dangerous place. It always will be. Like Bill Whittle says, safety is a temporary bubble of illusion. There is no safety.

Bills sentiments regarding gun control and effeminate men are appropriate outside that domain too.

[TykeMerc]

In the words of the immortal Sergeant Major Williams.

It's hard to identify a much more worthless bunch of oxygen thieves than the lot camping there, apart from inside Westminster of course.