Tory voters

[d000hg]

The fundamental duty of any government is to protect the vulnerable and the poor.

A reasonable argument though I'm sure many here would disagree

I think Tories are doing much better than Liebour in that aspect.

Not so sure about that. I believe in their ideals - work is the best way out, live within our means - but the implementation really doesn't seem great both due to carelessness and deliberate choices.

[NibblyPig]

The fundamental duty of any government is to protect the vulnerable tax dodging corporations and the poor benefit scroungers.

They are not voted in to protect the grossly overpaid tax dodging scum people that busted their ass from childhood to learn learn learn and aggressively progress through a career so that they could reach a place where they earn good money i.e. us (or at least, me). While our options are to choose between a take away pizza or dinner at the OXO tower, there are people in this country like Suity who should choose between feeding themselves a new flat screen TV or their 6 hungry children (just kidding, they get both courtesy of taxpayer money).

FTFY

[d000hg]

Most contractors have never "busted their ass". We've had nice cushy white-collar jobs built on a foundation of our inherent aptitude. Typically the things we pride ourselves on like "work ethic" and such are a gift from our parents. We're much more a product of our surroundings than most of us like to admit.

Still, you go and cry at the injustice of it all into your £15 bottle of merlot in your £500k detached house. While most of the people who really HAVE "busted their ass" are working for £25k and wondering how they'll ever get a mortgage.

[DodgyAgent]

Jesus someones actually voted yes they would still vote Tory!

[Batcher]

David Cameron hasn’t the faintest idea how deep his cuts go. This letter proves it

[NibblyPig]

Most contractors have never "busted their ass". We've had nice cushy white-collar jobs built on a foundation of our inherent aptitude. Typically the things we pride ourselves on like "work ethic" and such are a gift from our parents. We're much more a product of our surroundings than most of us like to admit.

Still, you go and cry at the injustice of it all into your £15 bottle of merlot in your £500k detached house. While most of the people who really HAVE "busted their ass" are working for £25k and wondering how they'll ever get a mortgage.

Well I can't speak for everyone because as much as I admire NLUK's view that contractors should be tulip hot at their job I know sometimes it isn't the case.

But to get to where I am I self-taught myself programming when I was a nipper, did several large scale projects during school, chose a proper degree, worked hard at uni, worked hard to get a job and improve my skill, switched roles frequently with aggressive learning in order to benefit myself the most, worked my way into a high paying permie role with a lot of responsibility, learned as much as I could running the entire dev side of the company, then jumped into the abyss of contracting and landed on my feet.

I would call that hard work.

The opposite would be to **** about in my spare time growing up playing xbox, go to uni and study something for fun that has no career prospects, fall into any old job, slug it out on a crap wage hoping my employer will give me a pitiful raise for my dedication to the company (rather than my real value), and then have a good moan about how I can't afford a house while doing nothing to better myself and not putting myself in any position of risk.

Seems everyone thinks they can just do whatever they want and the government (read: taxpayers) will pick up the slack when they get to their mid 20s.

[d000hg]

Well I can't speak for everyone because as much as I admire NLUK's view that contractors should be tulip hot at their job I know sometimes it isn't the case.

But to get to where I am I self-taught myself programming when I was a nipper, did several large scale projects during school, chose a proper degree, worked hard at uni, worked hard to get a job and improve my skill, switched roles frequently with aggressive learning in order to benefit myself the most, worked my way into a high paying permie role with a lot of responsibility, learned as much as I could running the entire dev side of the company, then jumped into the abyss of contracting and landed on my feet.

I would call that hard work.

Other than the stuff during school, I'd call most of that fairly normal for anyone in a professional job. Most of my middle class mates went to the same decent uni as me and worked fairly hard, after working hard all through school and doing well. But they're typically earning £30k or less, with a few exceptions... but very few indeed are earning over £40k and these are all hard-working, bright, well-educated people.

[pjclarke]

David Cameron hasn’t the faintest idea how deep his cuts go. This letter proves it

Worth quoting from ....Correspondence between Cameron and the Conservative leader of Oxfordshire county council reveals just how ignorant the elite are about the effects their cuts are having on the ground …

Cameron complains that he is “disappointed” by the council’s proposals “to make significant cuts to frontline services – from elderly day centres, to libraries, to museums. This is in addition to the unwelcome and counter-productive proposals to close children’s centres across the county.” Why, he asks, has Oxfordshire not focused instead on “making back-office savings”? Why hasn’t it sold off its surplus property? After all, there has been only “a slight fall in government grants in cash terms”. Couldn’t the county “generate savings in a more creative manner”?

Explaining the issue gently, as if to a slow learner, the council leader, Ian Hudspeth, points out that the council has already culled its back-office functions, slashing 40% of its most senior staff and 2,800 jobs in total, with the result that it now spends less on these roles than most other counties. He explains that he has already flogged all the property he can lay hands on, but would like to remind the prime minister that using the income from these sales to pay for the council’s running costs “is neither legal, nor sustainable in the long-term since they are one-off receipts”.

As for Cameron’s claim about government grants, Hudspeth comments: “I cannot accept your description of a drop in funding of £72m or 37% as a ‘slight fall’.”

I used to think Tories were just slimy, now it seems they're slimy and ignorant. I wonder if PMQ's next week will feature a question sent in by 'Ian of Oxford'?

[ShandyDrinker]

Other than the stuff during school, I'd call most of that fairly normal for anyone in a professional job. Most of my middle class mates went to the same decent uni as me and worked fairly hard, after working hard all through school and doing well. But they're typically earning £30k or less, with a few exceptions... but very few indeed are earning over £40k and these are all hard-working, bright, well-educated people.

Yes, there are many that went to university that do end up earning mediocre or better salaries. However, they are in many ways in much safer jobs than contracting.

While there are many permies working hard, a lot of them are too gutless to try contracting for themselves or move even slightly out of their comfort zones. I get that it's nice to have the safety net of permie benefits such as sick pay, redundancy (I know, this can be crap), a pension, holidays and indeed just a regular pay cheque. We don't all want to work in that way and those that have the gumption and are prepared to take the risk should be rewarded for adding liquidity to the resourcing market and not completely shafted someone thinks they may be getting ahead.

[MrMarkyMark]

Even those permies that I have known try, I have heard them say, I just did not like contracting.
This is up to director level too, where the rewards are generally high and in IB the contracts can extend to 2+ years.

That in itself, is enough to show there are major differences between perm vs. contract, regardless of what anyone thinks.