Snog raped

[SueEllen]

Now define consent sensibly in such matters and we are home free, this seems to be the problem.

If someone is unconscious or asleep they can't consent. There have been convictions on those grounds however they have required witnesses.

Everything else is he says/she says or, and extremely rarely as the CPS can't be bothered to prosecute unless they are a MP, he says/he says.

[NibblyPig]

> girl asks for kiss
> girl gets kiss
> rape

[TestMangler]

He's not even a real Doctor ! Hang him !

I'll bet he's not a real fox either.

[mudskipper]

At 15, we all snogged someone who has then unwelcomingly forced their tongue down your throat. Not very nice, but not rape by any stretch of the word.

[AtW]

Is it considered rape in France?

[BrilloPad]

Is it considered rape in France?

I think they call it "usual"

[vetran]

If someone is unconscious or asleep they can't consent. There have been convictions on those grounds however they have required witnesses.

Everything else is he says/she says or, and extremely rarely as the CPS can't be bothered to prosecute unless they are a MP, he says/he says.

indeed that is the crux. its too difficult to prosecute.

[SpontaneousOrder]

At 15, we all snogged someone who has then unwelcomingly forced their tongue down your throat. Not very nice, but not rape by any stretch of the word.

I'd assumed the article meant the kiss itself was forced?

[shaunbhoy]

I think we need to ask ourself....."What would Nelson Mandela do?"

[SpontaneousOrder]

Now define consent sensibly in such matters and we are home free, this seems to be the problem.

I think you have to be a man and try your luck - and then if she says no, then be a man again and accept it.

Theres that weird idea that you should always get explicit consent from the start. If that were to be the case the human race would go extinct! because no one ever got laid by asking for permission

That's not to say you should go grab a random stranger and go in for the kiss or touch them somewhere!


I don't like those posters that say something like

"Dave was drunk last night. So was Jess. Jess couldn't consent. The next morning Dave was arrested for rape."

That implies that Jess must be sober to be responsible for her actions. If the same applies to dave then he can't be responsible for rape if he was drunk.


I think it's simple common sense (and of course there will always be grey areas which is why we have juries etc) basically what MS said.

If she / he if incapable of protesting, then they can't consent either explicitly or implicitly. Apart from that a regretful experience is misadventure - not rape (with some differences potentially where there is a significant imbalance of power/authority - and in most of those cases it would be a professional or social matter - not a criminal one).

There we go. Problem solved. Elect me Attorney General.

**edit** i mean, what SE said. I think.