An end to poverty?

[stek]

Yup, perhaps deal with that problem first and their lack of developed markets, and then start worrying about how many "billions" it will supposedly take to "end poverty", something that is already taking place at an accelerated pace globally. Well, aside from China's enormous credit bubble blowing up, that may yet take us back to the dark ages.

I think we owe whatever it costs, considering we've raped, pillaged, robbed, exploited, armed and bombed these countries over centuries, I can't see how any cannot see that that is is the root cause of the current crisis.

Even the back of beyond now isn't out of reach, boat, plane, car, they can all get here now in days.

Fix the problem at source, right our wrongs, ok some will still seek the Golden Chalice but for the vast majority, not starving is enough.

[darmstadt]

Presumably UK IT contractors will soon be part of those figures going by the moaning about the Tory governments proposals to hit the small businessman

[AtW]

Presumably UK IT contractors will soon be part of those figures going by the moaning about the Tory governments proposals to hit the small businessman

Tories going to do worse?

[Zero Liability]

I think we owe whatever it costs, considering we've raped, pillaged, robbed, exploited, armed and bombed these countries over centuries, I can't see how any cannot see that that is is the root cause of the current crisis.

Even the back of beyond now isn't out of reach, boat, plane, car, they can all get here now in days.

Fix the problem at source, right our wrongs, ok some will still seek the Golden Chalice but for the vast majority, not starving is enough.

There is no "we" here. There is the political class, which is culpable and acts in spite of any "democratic" warrant it may or may not lay claim to, and those outside of it which it impresses into its service. I never supported any war, exploitation or "oppression" and lets please do away with the myth that civilisations outside of the west - e.g. China a few decades ago, Saudi Arabia etc. are somehow blameless innocent little sheep that can do no wrong (e.g. China and India have both immiserated their populaces for centuries), when the latter is particularly culpable for the recent events in the ME, if that is what you're referring to.

Besides, just throwing money at individuals in corrupt regimes will achieve precisely nothing. If you want to throw your money away, be my guest, but please lets end the pretence that it has anything to do with "morality".

[SpontaneousOrder]

I think we owe whatever it costs, considering we've raped, pillaged, robbed, exploited, armed and bombed these countries over centuries, I can't see how any cannot see that that is is the root cause of the current crisis.

Even the back of beyond now isn't out of reach, boat, plane, car, they can all get here now in days.

Fix the problem at source, right our wrongs, ok some will still seek the Golden Chalice but for the vast majority, not starving is enough.

If 'we' are to be blamed for all of that, then presumably 'they' are to be blamed for al the awful tulip their leaders have done. So by what standard do we owe them anything at all? I don't see how your logic follows.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Money can't end poverty - thats a childish, but common, supposition stemming from a lack of understanding of money, it's purpose, and how it relates to wealth creation.

For that same reason things like fair-trade have a net negative effect on the wellbeing of the demographics which they are supposed to help.

And ignoring all of that, 30 billion is an absolutely absurdly ridiculous amount to suggest would 'end poverty'.


De-regulate, lower taxation, and stop castigating with that perverse morality those people who would take advantage of cheap labour in these countries.

And encourage these places to be governed, if they must be, by leaders who value free markets. Mercantilism & state sponsored unionisation will stop the great unwashed of any country from dragging themselves out of the mud.

[tomtomagain]

I think we owe whatever it costs, considering we've raped, pillaged, robbed, exploited, armed and bombed these countries over centuries.

I don't. I haven't raped or pillaged, robbed or exploited anyone and although it sometimes feels like it I haven't been alive for centuries.

I am not guilty for someone else's crimes and my children and as yet unborn grandchildren are not guilty for any crimes I commit.

Your mindset is one of passing grievances down the generations.

I can't see how any cannot see that that is is the root cause of the current crisis.

There is a battle going on within Islam for the heart and soul of that religion. That has to be taken into consideration as one of the major factors in the current unrest.

[DimPrawn]

And encourage these places to be governed, if they must be, by leaders who value free markets. Mercantilism & state sponsored unionisation will stop the great unwashed of any country from dragging themselves out of the mud.

That's the UK ****ed after 2020 under Komrade Korbyn then?

[unixman]

I think we owe whatever it costs, considering we've raped, pillaged, robbed, exploited, armed and bombed these countries over centuries, I can't see how any cannot see that that is is the root cause of the current crisis.

Even the back of beyond now isn't out of reach, boat, plane, car, they can all get here now in days.

Fix the problem at source, right our wrongs, ok some will still seek the Golden Chalice but for the vast majority, not starving is enough.

Self loathing won't help the problem. It is just another form of self obsession. I'm optimistic that world poverty will be cured. Looking over the last 50 years, it has shrunk remarkably. Okay I don't have all the figures here, or time to collate them, but they are there and they are positive. Health has improved, disease and poverty reduced.

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a good source of information. It will cheer you up:

‘No poor countries by 2035’: Bill Gates annual letter says extreme poverty and child mortality could be virtually wiped out in next two decades | World Politics | News | The Independent

Politically, democracy has also spread remarkably over the decades, and will continue to do so IMO.

[DodgyAgent]

If 'we' are to be blamed for all of that, then presumably 'they' are to be blamed for al the awful tulip their leaders have done. So by what standard do we owe them anything at all? I don't see how your logic follows.

It is part of the cowardly and patronising culture of left wing self/british loathing.