Corbyn's question, taxes and "entitlement"

[darmstadt]

FTFY

And one for DA:

Worried by the growth of the socialist movement—in particular, that of the Social Democratic Party—Bismarck instituted the Anti-Socialist Laws in 1878. Socialist organizations and meetings were forbidden, as was the circulation of socialist literature.

But then what happened:

Bismarck implemented the world's first welfare state in the 1880s. He worked closely with large industry and aimed to stimulate German economic growth by giving workers greater security.

The real grievance of the worker is the insecurity of his existence; he is not sure that he will always have work, he is not sure that he will always be healthy, and he foresees that he will one day be old and unfit to work. If he falls into poverty, even if only through a prolonged illness, he is then completely helpless, left to his own devices, and society does not currently recognize any real obligation towards him beyond the usual help for the poor, even if he has been working all the time ever so faithfully and diligently. The usual help for the poor, however, leaves a lot to be desired, especially in large cities, where it is very much worse than in the country.

[vetran]

On sky news there was someone saying that 4 out of 10 children only get a warm meal at school.

And I bet in 99% of those cases the parents have money for fags, booze, mobile phones.

I know paying benefits in food/housing vouchers has disadvantages. But surely there are more advantages.....

what hacks me off having subsidised the free school meals, if my child wants one of these valuable things that poor people must have free it costs me the better part of a fiver.

In Secondary school the "poor kids" have plenty of money on their cards.

[minestrone]

She could probably take her family on a foreign holiday if she cut out her obvious pie habit.

[d000hg]

On sky news there was someone saying that 4 out of 10 children only get a warm meal at school.

And I bet in 99% of those cases the parents have money for fags, booze, mobile phones.

So what, exactly? Isn't protecting vulnerable children a laudable thing to do? Sorting out the parents would be nice but is a much bigger problem, generally treating the symptoms is a good idea too.

99% is clearly not true though, and of course there's an element of cause and effect - if you child gets a cooked lunch at school, no surprise many get a simple tea. It's not like a meal is only good if it's hot either... a cooked lunch followed by sandwiches for tea is hardly child abuse.

[MicrosoftBob]

The real abuse is people like Corbyn and Hodge ignoring abuse when repeatedly warned about it on their watch

[darmstadt]

The real abuse is people like Thatcher ignoring abuse when repeatedly warned about it on their watch

FTFY


Thatcher 'Turned Blind Eye' To Paedophile MPs

[vetran]

shocking these abuse claims didn't come out in force during the 13 years Labour were in power then?

Assuming they were so well known & widespread?

You know its nearly 25 years since Maggie resigned you will have to stop blaming her for everything sooner or later.

[original PM]

So what, exactly? Isn't protecting vulnerable children a laudable thing to do? Sorting out the parents would be nice but is a much bigger problem, generally treating the symptoms is a good idea too.

99% is clearly not true though, and of course there's an element of cause and effect - if you child gets a cooked lunch at school, no surprise many get a simple tea. It's not like a meal is only good if it's hot either... a cooked lunch followed by sandwiches for tea is hardly child abuse.

Well actually no - you are simply not addressing the issue.

There are families who are in the third or fourth generation of never having worked a day in their life and continue to breed and bring up kids - who have no intention of being productive members of society who then breed and bring up kids - who have no intention of being productive members of society....


I could go on but I am sure you get the picture.

You have to break the chain - which means at some point one of these generations will not get anything for free and they will have to work - and if they do not work they will get minimal/nothing - and yes the children will suffer - for 1 generation only.

Then once it is clear that if you do not become a productive member of society then you may well go hungry and have nothing we may find that we have less non productive members of society.

Before someone goes off on 1 about handicapped/disabled/genuinely unable to work/out of work - there will still be a welfare state to support those people - which is what it was originally designed for.

[BrilloPad]

So what, exactly? Isn't protecting vulnerable children a laudable thing to do? Sorting out the parents would be nice but is a much bigger problem, generally treating the symptoms is a good idea too.

I was proposing a way of protecting vulnerable children.

Do you read posts before replying?

[BrilloPad]

You have to break the chain - which means at some point one of these generations will not get anything for free and they will have to work - and if they do not work they will get minimal/nothing - and yes the children will suffer - for 1 generation only.

I agree with your solution but I disagree that the children will suffer.

And paying benefits as vouchers for food/essentials would be a good start. No cigarettes/alcohol/mobile phones/sky.

Not that it would affect those on benefits who also work....