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    #41
    Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
    Jeremy Corbyn was my MP a few years back. He's a refreshing change to the same old politics that the "Con"-servatives and New-Lie peddle.
    He's a man of integrity and always followed up issues that I raised with him. The Tory press are dead scared of him, hence whipping up hysteria over Hamas (he met the Israelis too) and any other dirt they can find.

    For young people who can't afford to go to university because of high rents/fees, made to feel grateful that they end up in a McTescoJob to receive minimum state benefits and don't have a hope in hell of ever owning a property, they'd be mad not to vote for him.

    This country is ****ed and needs a revolution, and Corbyn is the closest to a revolution we're going to get.
    I agree with the diagnosis, just not him, or much less the Labour party, as the proposed solution...

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      #42
      Originally posted by Zero Liability View Post
      I agree with the diagnosis, just not him, or much less the Labour party, as the proposed solution...
      Unfortunately there's no-one else. Which is why voting has always been a wasted exercise for me in recent years.
      'Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual'. -
      Nick Pickles, director of Big Brother Watch.

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        #43
        Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
        Unfortunately there's no-one else. Which is why voting has always been a wasted exercise for me in recent years.
        +1

        What else is there?

        With Corbyn at least there is the tiniest morsel of integrity there somewhere.....

        You have to respect him for that...

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          #44
          Originally posted by SantaClaus View Post
          Unfortunately there's no-one else. Which is why voting has always been a wasted exercise for me in recent years.
          True, but I don't see how he is got anything better to offer than the Tories. To truly reform a system would require a move away from debt financed spending and stimulation of private debt creation, and to refocus the economy on producing value for value and unshackling business. His QE for the people idea may not be quite as insidious as the current monetary setup, but it is still going to cause imbalances in the economy that will result in more direct forms of price inflation and wobbly investments than QE has thus far, contributing to the cost of living crisis. If the man had a clue about economics, I'd consider him. I like Farage better, even though I don't necessarily think he has a shot in hell from coming close to PM. Most people whom I think could change the system for the better, simply cannot be elected.

          Most of us here dislike the Tories for their tax grabs and broken promises. Under Blair, Labour was somewhat more relaxed about wealth creation; under a socialist leader, they will not be. Although the party will temper whatever policies he can enact in actuality, I think they will make the Tories' attack on contractors seem like a gentle breeze. So I have to weigh up his reasonable comments on Blair's **** ups (and their after-effects) against his planned objectives for the economy, and I have to say if someone like him came to power and was able to enact these policies, I would look abroad for greener pastures. It is very easy for the young to be excited by someone who speaks out against the injustices perpetrated against them, but this has to be weighed up against the track record of what these policies actually deliver, and I think a rebalanced economy focused on wealth production, as opposed to asset price inflation, is far more in their interests than what he promises. A lot of systems that endure to this day were promised on the back of unbridled idealism, but have ended up being the products of political cynicism, so just because he promises a few reforms here and there, does not mean that the guy later down the line (remember, he is quite old) will be quite so well intentioned, even assuming their economics were sound. Some of the media histrionics

          Maybe if he made some moves to transition to a PR system, and campaigned against EU membership, I'd take a longer term view and support him then. I'm pragmatic in that way.
          Last edited by Zero Liability; 21 August 2015, 23:09.

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            #45
            Originally posted by NibblyPig View Post
            He needs to lose the beard, he looks like a member of CAMRA or spokesman for the welsh rambling society.

            Silly why that would matter, but it does.
            I think not

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              #46
              Well good luck to him, I hope he wins. It will give the Establishment a fright if he does.

              It all feels a bit revolutionary. [emoji48]
              "I can put any old tat in my sig, put quotes around it and attribute to someone of whom I've heard, to make it sound true."
              - Voltaire/Benjamin Franklin/Anne Frank...

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                #47
                Originally posted by DodgyAgent View Post
                Man of principles the public can trust.

                Much better than preaching how great state schools are but sending kids to private edukation.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by cojak View Post
                  Well good luck to him, I hope he wins. It will give the Establishment a fright if he does.

                  It all feels a bit revolutionary. [emoji48]
                  That'd be one good thing to come of it, at least Labour would be clearly distinguishable from the Tories, as opposed to Miliband's abortive attempt to sneak in leftist policies in some bizarre mishmash "middle ground" platform that ultimately failed. I wouldn't say it'd make them more "working class", as I don't equate leftist policies with this group's interests, but it'd make them different.

                  I wonder if they'll fly in the other Miliband to come to the rescue of the Tory-lite segments of the party should that transpire.

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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Jog On View Post
                    If he had sent his kids to private they'd attack him on that. What's wrong with state education?
                    Only the little people go to State schools.

                    Seriously if one of your parents is a well connected MP as long as you aren't thick it doesn't matter what school you go to.
                    "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                      Only the little people go to State schools.

                      Seriously if one of your parents is a well connected MP as long as you aren't thick it doesn't matter what school you go to.
                      True - I just think that if he had sent his kids to public school the press would be using that against him and they might have a point!

                      Just voted online
                      "Is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like? If that is the case then we have free speech."- Elon Musk

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