Skills shortages

[MicrosoftBob]

solution is for british people to accept the global demand/supply equilibrium for their skills, but not many people are happy about that because they're too used to being overpaid, so keep demanding high, so companies are forced look elsewhere for labour etc

The elephant in the room is UK house prices, we can't earn the same wages as ICTs because where there are IT jobs house prices would make that impossible unless you were living 12 to a room like an ICT and accept that standard of living

[DimPrawn]

The elephant in the room is UK house prices, we can't earn the same wages as ICTs because where there are IT jobs house prices would make that impossible unless you were living 12 to a room like an ICT and accept that standard of living

UK future = 3rd World living standards.

BUT, globalisation means you can buy a 50 inch TV for next to nothing. So it's all good for the selfie stick generation.

[MrMarkyMark]

why should british people be paid more than an equally qualified (for the job) non-british person? because they happened to be born in the "right" country?.

Providing they are equally qualified (for the job), I totally agree.
Unfortunately this is often not the case, believe me I know.

In addition, when working with a <Very Large Consultancy> they were sleeping 10 to a house for the princely sum of accomidation + £30 PD + expenses. how do we compete with that?

Needless to say, the guys didn't have a clue and eventually the whole project tanked very badly .

[woohoo]

the world is run by corporations. If british companies only employed british people (assuming british people demand more money than non-british people) they'd never be able to compete globally and UK economy wouldn't last long

that's why everyone makes everything in china

why should british people be paid more than an equally qualified (for the job) non-british person? because they happened to be born in the "right" country?

solution is for british people to accept the global demand/supply equilibrium for their skills, but not many people are happy about that because they're too used to being overpaid, so keep demanding high, so companies are forced look elsewhere for labour etc

British people do compete in a global market place and are very good at it. We don't compete that well on low skilled jobs cause anyone can do that, though costs are rising in China and lowering here.

The answer is not a race to the bottom but for other countries to increase their wages and standard of living. Your answer that British people should just except it is nonsense. We have a highly skilled workforce and if you have ever worked with many "skilled" people from India or Eastern Europe the average quality is poor. The language skills are poor and the culture fit is often poor.

[LondonManc]

the world is run by corporations. If british companies only employed british people (assuming british people demand more money than non-british people) they'd never be able to compete globally and UK economy wouldn't last long

that's why everyone makes everything in china

why should british people be paid more than an equally qualified (for the job) non-british person? because they happened to be born in the "right" country?

solution is for british people to accept the global demand/supply equilibrium for their skills, but not many people are happy about that because they're too used to being overpaid, so keep demanding high, so companies are forced look elsewhere for labour etc

Overpaid? Or just fairly paid and every one else comes here for a piece of the pie?

What global equilibrium?

[VectraMan]

In addition, when working with a <Very Large Consultancy> they were sleeping 10 to a house for the princely sum of accomidation + £30 PD + expenses. How do we compete with that?

By sleeping 10 to a house for the princely sum of accomidation (sic) + £30 PD + expenses?

[pr1]

Overpaid? Or just fairly paid and every one else comes here for a piece of the pie?

who should pay the difference in your wage demand vs their wage demand? uk govt?

What global equilibrium?

if an employer can afford to fly someone over and pay for them to live somewhere, plus the cost of their labour - for less than you're willing to work for, you're either overcharging or are underskilled

demand and supply equilibrates itself

[DimPrawn]

By sleeping 10 to a house for the princely sum of accomidation (sic) + £30 PD + expenses?

I have also worked with a client that used Eastern Europeans based on this business model. Basically buy a very rundown B&B and fill it with IT workers, charge them a small fee to live there out of their wages, charge the client for IT services onsite.

Very profitable for the bodyshopper.

Great if we all want to live like this and compete.

[MicrosoftBob]

who should pay the difference in your wage demand vs their wage demand? uk govt?



if an employer can afford to fly someone over and pay for them to live somewhere, plus the cost of their labour - for less than you're willing to work for, you're either overcharging or are underskilled

demand and supply equilibrates itself

Would you work for £30 a day plus a shared room in a squat ?

[LondonManc]

who should pay the difference in your wage demand vs their wage demand? uk govt?

What difference? I'm getting what I asked for from ClientCo
I agree, some UK-based people aren't good enough, but there are far more offshore people that I've found inadequate. Rather than shorten projects, they've lengthened them, but management thought offshoring would be a good idea.

if an employer can afford to fly someone over and pay for them to live somewhere, plus the cost of their labour - for less than you're willing to work for, you're either overcharging or are underskilled

demand and supply equilibrates itself

You're talking absolute tulip.