Have we done the incipient mini ice age?

[BlasterBates]

Absolutely, Its about targets.....

Yes that's right.

Germany is the only major country which is seriously gone for renewables:

Germany's renewable energy, a total failure

It's actually resulting in increasing CO2 emissions.

The whole green movement isn't about reducing CO2 emissions or saving the rain forests, it's about targets.

i.e. how many wind mills can you put up, how many hectares of rain forest can you tear down to grow "renewables".

It's all about a "green dogma".

[pjclarke]

Yes that's right.

Germany is the only major country which is seriously gone for renewables:

It's actually resulting in increasing CO2 emissions.

(Blah).

No. 2014 emissions were lower than 2013 - the decline in emissions has slowed, mainly because coal has replaced decommissioned nuclear - temporarily.

[BlasterBates]

No. 2014 emissions were lower than 2013 - the decline in emissions has slowed, mainly because coal has replaced decommissioned nuclear - temporarily.

To be expected because of a mild Winter, you'll see it climb back up again.

[pjclarke]

The claim that

Arctic ice in july is the highest its been since 2005

based on an obsolete graph from the Danish Meteorological Institute (DMI) (ignoring for the time being the statistical absurdity of trying to derive a trend from two datapoints) put me in mind of another eternally optimistic claim from a month or so ago ...

Greenland is gaining trillions of tons of ice, in THE MIDDLE of the melt season

which he seemed to get from a blog post from Tony Heller, who is known in climate circles for being unable to lie straight in bed, linking to a graph from the DMI.

It was not the middle of the melt season, it was in fact the beginning. the middle would be about now. Shall we check back to see how the Greenland ice is getting on, with those trillions of tons being accumulated?



Oh dear. The Greenland ice, as measured by surface mass balance, has in fact been disappearing at an unprecedented rate.

Can't be comfortable, jamming one's hands ever more firmly over one's ears, chanting LA LA LA at ever increasing volume.


Greenland Ice Sheet Surface Mass Budget: DMI

[BlasterBates]

I take it back, obviously the German efforts are bearing fruit.

[pjclarke]

Four years hardly qualifies as 'climate', any more than 6 months does.

Arctic sea ice maximum reaches lowest extent on record | National Snow and Ice Data Center

[BlasterBates]

Four years hardly qualifies as 'climate', any more than 6 months does.

Arctic sea ice maximum reaches lowest extent on record | National Snow and Ice Data Center

8 years and counting

[pjclarke]

8 years and counting

Bookmarked for September.

[EternalOptimist]

Bookmarked for September.

why wait till September ?

Worst Ice Conditions In 20 Years Derail Arctic Global Warming Expedition

[pjclarke]

why wait till September ?

Worst Ice Conditions In 20 Years Derail Arctic Global Warming Expedition

Well, because looking at a single geographical place at a single point in time tells you nowt about the long term trend, and also because Hudson Bay lies outside the Arctic Circle.

So, I will see how the annual September minimum fits in with the long term diminishing trend, its not looking good .

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis