The Fallacy of global warming debunked

[EternalOptimist]

Well, yes, since controls on hunting were introduced....

At last, after denying the facts for years, pj finally agrees that polar bear numbers are rising.

It wont be long before he sees that arctic ice is up, Antarctic ice is up, biofuels are a bad idea, wind and solar are not baseload solutions and keeping the third world in energy poverty is a disastrous solution to a non problem

[BlasterBates]

Palm oil usage ...

Exactly.....and what is Palm Oil ?

...and what about the deforestation in Europe and North America, that's OK is it ?

...and er can you please please explain the logic that deforestation leads to lower CO2 ?

They cut the trees down, burn them, whilst smoking pot and pontificating about global warming, and now missing forest doesn't soak up the CO2.

But then again this isn't about being logical is it? it's more of a religious thing.

[pjclarke]

At last, after denying the facts for years, pj finally agrees that polar bear numbers are rising.

It wont be long before he sees that arctic ice is up, Antarctic ice is up, biofuels are a bad idea, wind and solar are not baseload solutions and keeping the third world in energy poverty is a disastrous solution to a non problem

Actually, the data on Ursus Maritimus are quite uncertain. They're hard to count. There are 19 distinct populations and the data on 9 of them is too sparse to come to any conclusion, of the rest, 6 are stable, 1 is increasing and 3 are declining.

It wont be long before he sees that arctic ice is up

I think it will ....

[EternalOptimist]

Greenland ice tracking well above the 25 year average

[pjclarke]

Exactly.....and what is Palm Oil ?

...and what about the deforestation in Europe and North America, that's OK is it ?

...and er can you please please explain the logic that deforestation leads to lower CO2 ?

They cut the trees down, burn them, whilst smoking pot and pontificating about global warming, and now missing forest doesn't soak up the CO2.

But then again this isn't about being logical is it? it's more of a religious thing.

Have a nice lie down and a decaff. I'm quite happy to discuss points I've actually made, points you've made up for me ...... not so much.

Less than 5% of palm oil goes to biodiesel, the vast majority ends up in foodstuffs and cosmetics etc. Always has. That scary 'deforestation' photo dates from 2009, three years earlier those doped up hippies at Friends of the Earth put out this position statement saying that chopping down the trees to make way for this product is a bad idea.

[EternalOptimist]

ref my post above. just to reinforce the point
Greenland is gaining trillions of tons of ice, in THE MIDDLE of the melt season

[BlasterBates]

Have a nice lie down and a decaff. I'm quite happy to discuss points I've actually made, points you've made up for me ...... not so much.

Less than 5% of palm oil goes to biodiesel, the vast majority ends up in foodstuffs and cosmetics etc. Always has. That scary 'deforestation' photo dates from 2009, three years earlier those doped up hippies at Friends of the Earth put out this position statement saying that chopping down the trees to make way for this product is a bad idea.

I didn't say you suggested that deforestation is good.

Just pointing out the consequences of the actions of those you
support

...and as for Palm Oil, of course it's used in a wide variety of products, but where's the growth ? and what's the aim of it's expansion.

[BlasterBates]

Have a nice lie down and a decaff. I'm quite happy to discuss points I've actually made, points you've made up for me ...... not so much.

Less than 5% of palm oil goes to biodiesel, the vast majority ends up in foodstuffs and cosmetics etc. Always has. That scary 'deforestation' photo dates from 2009, three years earlier those doped up hippies at Friends of the Earth put out this position statement saying that chopping down the trees to make way for this product is a bad idea.

I didn't say you suggested that deforestation is good.

Just pointing out the consequences of the actions of those you support.

..and as for palm oil, sure it's used in a wide variety of products and has for over a hundred years but what is causing the recent expansion ?

Here are the figures, because it's more than palm oil plantations:

http://www.tristatebiodiesel.com/def...ion_report.pdf

Biofuels causing deforestation is a significant problem, and your pot smoking friends are responsible, in spite of their remonstrations they don't want to see deforestation, sure, but they still prefer it to coal. They made a choice, because you have to, and deforestation it will be.

[pjclarke]

ref my post above. just to reinforce the point
Greenland is gaining trillions of tons of ice, in THE MIDDLE of the melt season

Huh? Its fairly clear from the surface mass balance graph you posted that the SMB accumulates for nine months of the year, offset by melting from mid-June to September.

And you might want to read up on the definition of surface (as opposed to total) mass balance - briefly, it includes changes by accumulation and ablation processes, but excludes dynamic processes, such as glacier calving. As the last para in the linked pages notes ...

If climate changes, the surface mass balance may change such that it no longer matches the calving and the ice sheet can start to gain or lose mass. This is important to keep track of, since such a mass loss will lead to global sea level rise. As mentioned, satellites measuring the ice sheet mass have observed a loss of around 200 Gt/year over the last decade

[BlasterBates]

Huh? Its fairly clear from the surface mass balance graph you posted that the SMB accumulates for nine months of the year, offset by melting from mid-June to September.

And you might want to read up on the definition of surface (as opposed to total) mass balance - briefly, it includes loss by accumulation and ablation processes, but excludes dynamic processes, such as glacier calving. As the last para in the linked pages notes ...

....hmmm

But is there more accumulation than normal ?

Hint ...look at the data