General election quandary

[DodgyAgent]

But clearly to you, everyone on benefits is a scrounger. Lots are, but it's not a fair generalisation.

There is no excuse for anyone not to have a job right now other than the fact that they are ill prepared to work. And what common factor does this have? They have been educated and nannied by the socialist institutions of the state.

[Batcher]

When an individual cannot make any sort of logical argument to get their point of view accross they resort to smear. So either the persons view is bigoted and not sustainable as an argument or he is too stupid to articulate his point.

You've just described the Tories, Labour & Lib Dems attacking the SNP. Have a gold star

[d000hg]

There is no excuse for anyone not to have a job right now other than the fact that they are ill prepared to work. And what common factor does this have? They have been educated and nannied by the socialist institutions of the state.

Apart from the fact that your first point is a lot of crap...

Actually many of them haven't been educated because they play truant or their parents teach them (whether explicitly or implicitly) that school isn't valuable.

Perhaps the state should've nannied them MORE to force them to get better educated

[Batcher]

Council Tax - I can afford it
Police - I live in a very safe area and don't break the law
Education - My children go to a very good public school
Bin collection - WGAF

IR35 - Really pisses me off

IR35 isn't a problem.

If you have the correct insurances with IPSE/QDOS for a couple of hundred quid (if you can afford Council Tax then this will be no problem), then you may have an IR35 investigation but you will win.

[GlenW]

IR35 isn't a problem.

If you have the correct insurances with IPSE/QDOS for a couple of hundred quid (if you can afford Council Tax then this will be no problem), then you may have an IR35 investigation but you will win.

Thanks, this means I don't give a **** who wins, I'll just write 'None of the above' on the bottom of my ballot paper.

[DodgyAgent]

Apart from the fact that your first point is a lot of crap...

Actually many of them haven't been educated because they play truant or their parents teach them (whether explicitly or implicitly) that school isn't valuable.

Perhaps the state should've nannied them MORE to force them to get better educated

Why is my first point a load of crap?

Your second point confirms my own point which is that socialism strips people of any sense of personal responsibility or aspiration. And your third point the question is if we are doling out services that make kids incapable of working why would we need to increase the treatment?

[d000hg]

We don't live in a socialist country for a start.

We're not "doling out services that make kids incapable of working" - we're doling out services which make them capable of working, but the kids are not taking advantage of those services. They're using their free will to decide for themselves if education is worth bothering with... which sounds fairly right-wing to me.

If parents don't bring up their children properly, the cycle will continue unless someone intervenes - the state. Or, you just let them starve which would be your solution... however history shows us that we still had generational poverty pre-welfare state.

[eek]

We don't live in a socialist country for a start.

We're not "doling out services that make kids incapable of working" - we're doling out services which make them capable of working, but the kids are not taking advantage of those services. They're using their free will to decide for themselves if education is worth bothering with... which sounds fairly right-wing to me.

If parents don't bring up their children properly, the cycle will continue unless someone intervenes - the state. Or, you just let them starve which would be your solution... however history shows us that we still had generational poverty pre-welfare state.

Yet you are happy to vote for the people (Labour) who are responsible for many local schools being so crap that even the pupils think its not worth spending time there.

[d000hg]

Yet you are happy to vote for the people (Labour) who are responsible for many local schools being so crap that even the pupils think its not worth spending time there.

Am I? I don't remember saying I was a Labour voter.
Are they? I thought the Tories were responsible for the schools the last 5 years.

The crap schools are mostly crap because a sizeable proportion of the kids who do bother to turn up are only doing so to while away the day. Teaching becomes largely a case of classroom management - multiple kids being sent out every single lesson, for instance. I find that kind of environment hard to imagine personally, pretty terrible for anyone who does want to learn.

[Zero Liability]

Sounds like you're trying to concoct justifications to throw more taxpayer money at failing institutions and then blaming everything other than them for their failure.

I'm not sure even the Tories have much interest in the needs of the rich, over-privileged IT contractor. The state is/should be there predominantly to support those who need it - you clearly don't need any help

Good lefty parody. However, assuming this isn't sarcasm, it's just mindless SJW rhetoric rather than anything with a basis in reality. The state is there to provide services some claim none but it can provide (a dubious claim but for I'll take it as a given), and the sole purpose of taxation is to fund that irreducible minimum, and not go on brain dead crusades against 'privilege' or other such fictions. To the extent that there is any 'privilege' it helped create it and exemplifies it. IR35 is an antiquated and arbitrary measure that has been extended beyond its intended remit and isn't even cost efficient, plus its incidence is on the aspirational elements of the middle class rather than the 'rich'.