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    #21
    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    obvious reason is that they could band together and elect or cultivate a sympathetic MP.
    seriously?!

    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    They lost their freedom and right to live freely in society, why should they be allowed to vote?
    I don't see how one follows the other.

    Presumably some despot could enact laws to criminalise every person in a country, and by your logic those people should have no reason to suggest that they have any say in how just that government or it's policies are? They did, after all, lose their freedom and right to live in a free society - why should they be allowed?

    You (presumably) suppose that it's just for governments to govern because they represent the will of the governed. If prisoners are no longer represented then how is it just that they are still subject to governance?
    Last edited by SpontaneousOrder; 17 February 2015, 17:34.

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      #22
      Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View Post
      seriously?!
      Yes when it was proposed they could gain the vote certain MPs were all over their potential new constituents.


      Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View Post
      I don't see how one follows the other.

      Presumably some despot could enact laws to criminalise every person in a country, and by your logic those people should have no reason to suggest that they have any say in how just that government or it's policies are? They did, after all, lose their freedom and right to live in a free society - why should they be allowed?

      You (presumably) suppose that it's just for governments to govern because they represent the will of the governed. If prisoners are no longer represented then how is it just that they are still subject to governance?

      I'm not likely to be benefited by breast feeding,maternity or similar laws yet these laws were made in my name and I support them.

      None of us born here as British citizens actively chose to be governed by parliament, the law or the queen yet we are by these separate entities.

      If I commit a serious crime the law says I lose certain privileges one of which is the vote. By committing the crime I actively chose not to be able to vote.

      If a despot decided to criminalise the public it would likely be considered unlawful and the despot deposed.

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