You reap what you sow

[SupremeSpod]

Re: Sabbath

Wasn't that the difference between the Pharisees and the Saducees?

WTF has the concert party got to do with this?

[hattra]

Re: Sabbath

Stackpole

Do you imply that what they were doing was fundamentally Christian?

Ah - a good question – let’s summarise the position

Chico posted an article that said

Now you face jail for being nasty to Satanists
By Joshua Rozenberg, Legal Editor

Extremist religious groups that advocate child abuse will be given protection under a Bill published by the Government yesterday.

I believe that the implication of the opening sentences of the article (and Chico’s comments) was that the “groups that advocate child abuse“ were Satanists – my point was that child abuse is not limited to Satanists - the most recent group to be convicted were actually a Christian sect.

If you are asking my personal view - I believe that what they did was fundamentally un-Christian, however:

According to the Church, casting out demons is a Christian act.

Did they believe that they were acting in accordance with God's will - YES

Why did they do this - because their Church told them it was not only acceptable behaviour, it was their duty

Do I believe that torturing a child (or an adult for that matter) in the misguided belief that they are possessed is a Christian act? - NO

Do I believe that "possession" exists - NO.

Do I believe that many mentally ill people have been abused, tortured and even murdered in the name of Christ - YES

Oh - and by the way Chico, I am knowledgeable about a lot of things, including the Bible - in my youth, I attended up to 7 services a week (two on Sundays), and my school had two full-time chaplains, both Oxbridge educated, both of whom taught RE (a compulsory subject). They taught me how to READ the Bible, not how to parrot it.

[xoggoth]

Re: Sabbath

If Satanists torture children and Christians torture children maybe that proves there's something in it. Now, where's that little horror up the road who dented my van?

[SupremeSpod]

Re: Sabbath

Now, where's that little horror up the road who dented my van?

Still in intensive care I hope, or else you weren't driving fast enough!!!!! :evil

[JS]

Praise The Lord

Just formed, the "Church of The Light of Mammon"

So far our holy book consists of :

Thou Shalt not allow thyself to be subject to taxation in an form, for it is an abomination spent mainly on civil servants who are the spawn of Satan and may not be given succour from thine treasury.

[Lucifer Box]

Re: Praise The Lord

I believe that the implication of the opening sentences of the article (and Chico’s comments) was that the “groups that advocate child abuse“ were Satanists – my point was that child abuse is not limited to Satanists - the most recent group to be convicted were actually a Christian sect.

I'm struggling a bit here as well with what seem to be application of double standards. In response to previous posts, Chico said:

What is harsh is Satan and his followers deceiving billions of
people and leading them into eternal damnation. That is truly harsh.

But somehow it isn't harsh that the Christian God has condemned billions to eternal damnation by not even giving them the chance to hear Jesus' message, in essence abandoning them. This is not to my mind the action of a God that loves all of His creations.

As I said previously, this more and more seems to point to the Christian church deliberately misrepresenting things to suit its own (presumably political and influence gathering) purposes.

[ChicoLondon]

Re: Praise The Lord

hattra

you make me laugh. So lets bow to your superior knowledge of the Bible.How do you "understand" what Jesus said about evildoers in Matthew 7 particularly evildoers who go around "casting out demons"? Bear in mind your previous post about these evildoers being Christians.

[stackpole]

Re: Sabbath

Hattra,

If you are asking my personal view - I believe that what they did was fundamentally un-Christian

This is all that matters. Whether I believe in god or not, I accept the message of christianity for what it is supposed to be, which I think is a reasonably good thing.

The things people debate on here are interesting, but mostly irrelevant.

[dundeegeorge]

Isn't this new law a bit (actually completely) AAF?

Why are religions being protected?
Surely it would be better if all religions were declared illegal and believers were hunted down and sent home to their gods?
Mind you it was a law enacted by NL so what are the unintended consequences of this?

[SupremeSpod]

Re: Isn't this new law a bit (actually completely) AAF?

Mind you it was a law enacted by NL so what are the unintended consequences of this?

Put a tax on God Botherers. That'd soon whittle 'em down!