So...anybody ask for any of this?

[eek]

Mutual capitulation, as I would consider it as much an admission of defeat from HMRC insofar as IR35 is concerned... but undoubtedly a much grander victory for them if the fears expressed here do come true, which they may well do.

You only have to look at the opting out of agency regulations to show how others can create a world of pain based on the best intentions of others (PCG)...

[Lightwave]

As I've said over the on IPSE/PCG forum, I am amazed at the low level of interest in this among contractors.
I cannot understand the actions of IPSE in publishing a manifesto with nothing to back up their assertion that the Philip Ross concept of an FLC is not the only one.
I am appalled at the PCG Board's failure to properly answer any questions on this matter, it has been many weeks now, surely some sort of coherent response is required.
But if only about 4 rank and file PCG members can be arsed to post on the forum about it, perhaps it's all over?
Any IPSE-PCG members on here need to get over to that forum, read the threads and think hard.
But TBH, there's not exactly a large number of active posters on here either, compared with the thousands of contractors in the UK.
Ironically, I'm possibly one of the least affected if we all end up effectively inside IR35, which is what you are looking at IMHO.

[TykeMerc]

It could be speculated that the IPSE management posters on here wanted the debate moving to the IPSE fora because there's so little active traffic there. I think you will find that those engaged on the IPSE fora are probably also posting on here.

IPSE management claim a mandate for all of their membership, but if they were honest they would realise that a very significant proportion of their "membership" are simply insurance customers who wouldn't be members without the PCG+ or whatever it's called now product.

Like you I'm very concerned by the lack of engagement by contractors and the supposedly representative IPSE management over this issue as you can see from this and related threads on here I consider FLC's to be a recipe for disaster and I'm far from the only one with that view.

[Lightwave]

You only have to look at the opting out of agency regulations to show how others can create a world of pain based on the best intentions of others (PCG)...

TBH I'm oblivious to these opting out regs, are they supposed to make my boat or motorbike slower? Or have they made me poorer without me noticing?

[mudskipper]

But if only about 4 rank and file PCG members can be arsed to post on the forum about it, perhaps it's all over?
Any IPSE-PCG members on here need to get over to that forum, read the threads and think hard.

The IPSE members on this thread have posted over there too. Some freeloaders posters on this thread aren't IPSE members. The point that this will affect both members and non-members has been made, along with the fact that it isn't reasonable to expect people to join an organisation whose strategy they disagree with just to get their voice heard.

TBH I'm oblivious to these opting out regs, are they supposed to make my boat or motorbike slower? Or have they made me poorer without me noticing?

Some light reading

http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...-2003-act.html


And welcome to CUK. Do you like films about Gladiators?

[eek]

The IPSE members on this thread have posted over there too. Some freeloaders posters on this thread aren't IPSE members. The point that this will affect both members and non-members has been made, along with the fact that it isn't reasonable to expect people to join an organisation whose strategy they disagree with just to get their voice heard.



Some light reading

http://forums.contractoruk.com/busin...-2003-act.html


And welcome to CUK. Do you like films about Gladiators?

If you saw what I pay QDOS I'm not freeloading. Just don't like IPSE as far as I can throw them. And that was prior to the rebrand and targetting of people better supported by the GMB or Unison...

[mudskipper]

If you saw what I pay QDOS I'm not freeloading. Just don't like IPSE as far as I can throw them. And that was prior to the rebrand and targetting of people better supported by the GMB or Unison...

I forgot the

[Sean Key]

I am Spartacus

I am an PCG / IPSE member (only 5 years) and I'm not happy with the FLC concept because of the roundel aspect. We're just going to end up with middle-class zero hours contracts taxed as if within IR35.

[TheFaQQer]

I am an PCG / IPSE member (only 5 years) and I'm not happy with the FLC concept because of the roundel aspect. We're just going to end up with middle-class zero hours contracts taxed as if within IR35.

Please make your opinion known on the IPSE forums as well - even if it's only looking at the posts about FLCs and liking some of them. At least it might show that it's not just the same handful of people trying to discuss the issue there.

[TheFaQQer]

The IPSE Manifesto for Scotland is now out if anyone is interested.

https://www.ipse.co.uk/sites/default...o-Scotland.pdf

The IPSE Manifesto for Scotland is now out even if you aren't interested.