So...anybody ask for any of this?

[malvolio]

Clearly to IPSE it is, but they've now stepped away from the whole reason the PCG was formed to start off with.

I hadn't noticed. They didn't fight to get the CLOne contract changed because they didn't care about IR35, nor campaign to get the BETS killed off because they were targeting the wrong people. Let's have a little bit of common, please.

I do wonder if IPSE management will pay any attention to this type of thread, it's very clear that they've alienated part of their current and potential membership (which they may well not care about) and they've raised a LOT of red flags with a part of the audience they claim to represent. I'd like to think they will think about it, but going by Mal's response I doubt that.

Of course they do. Do you think we don't take these kinds of issues back? But that works both ways; for one thing this forum represents something of a minority in the wider world of freelancing. For another, if you want them to do something on your behalf, why leave it to the likes of me to tell them? They would love greater engagement from members and non-members alike.

And IPSE management is entirely made up of freelance contractors, 90% of whom are standard BoS like me. So of course they have no interest in contracting...

[tractor]

I hadn't noticed. They didn't fight to get the CLOne contract changed because they didn't care about IR35, nor campaign to get the BETS killed off because they were targeting the wrong people. Let's have a little bit of common, please.


Of course they do. Do you think we don't take these kinds of issues back? But that works both ways; for one thing this forum represents something of a minority in the wider world of freelancing. For another, if you want them to do something on your behalf, why leave it to the likes of me to tell them? They would love greater engagement from members and non-members alike.

And IPSE management is entirely made up of freelance contractors, 90% of whom are standard BoS like me. So of course they have no interest in contracting...

Yes, we had that discussion earlier in the thread.

[DiscoStu]

I hadn't noticed. They didn't fight to get the CLOne contract changed because they didn't care about IR35, nor campaign to get the BETS killed off because they were targeting the wrong people. Let's have a little bit of common, please.


Of course they do. Do you think we don't take these kinds of issues back? But that works both ways; for one thing this forum represents something of a minority in the wider world of freelancing. For another, if you want them to do something on your behalf, why leave it to the likes of me to tell them? They would love greater engagement from members and non-members alike.

And IPSE management is entirely made up of freelance contractors, 90% of whom are standard BoS like me. So of course they have no interest in contracting...

If this forum represents a small minority, what does the IPSE forum with its tiny number of active members represent?

[Zero Liability]

I think the abolition of IR35 is what most contractors would ask for, or at least limiting it to Fri-Mon scenarios and little else, which is why it arose. It could still be better than anything heralded in by these FLCs; its cost-inefficiency has always made it more of a deterrent than anything.

I do think the merger of PAYE and NI is a good idea (and a flat tax better yet), if that implies reduced overall taxes, and not hikes elsewhere, e.g. the CT or VAT. But how likely is that? It's highly dependent on governments actually spending less, which they have very little wherewithal to do.

[TykeMerc]

If this forum represents a small minority, what does the IPSE forum with its tiny number of active members represent?

Indeed, but clearly Mal would rather not admit that the PCG/IPSE forums are anything other than an active hotbed of support, he'd not let inconvenient things like facts get in the way of his bottomless support for the sainted (in his eyes) PCG/IPSE.

Since their forum is members only and I have absolutely no desire to appear to lend the IPSE (formerly PCG) the excuse to claim my mandate or spend my money I clearly can't present my views, or for that matter support other peoples views.

[Doggy Styles]

I don't believe it is.

Oh. You said many in IPSE think it is. And you said the IR35 fight is over.

Why do they think that, and why do you think it is over?

[TheFaQQer]

Oh. You said many in IPSE think it is. And you said the IR35 fight is over.

Why do they think that, and why do you think it is over?

I can't say why people in IPSE aren't interested in IR35 any more, but there has been a clear shift away from the original purpose of the organisation. I suspect that a large percentage of the membership don't see it that way, but the drive from the top has been away from IR35 towards more important / winnable causes.

No-one with a significant voice is arguing for the abolishment of IR35. The government committee looking at it found that HMRC say they are making money from it and will try to make it easier to determine status (hence the BETs), so there is no-one in government calling for it to go, so it's not going anywhere.

If you know what you are doing, you can avoid it seems to be the prevailing view, so why rock the boat and risk something else.

Of course, if there is a new corporate vehicle to use, then IR35 will be irrelevant / the least of your worries (delete as appropriate)

[Contreras]

Do you think we don't take these kinds of issues back? But that works both ways; for one thing this forum represents something of a minority in the wider world of freelancing. For another, if you want them to do something on your behalf, why leave it to the likes of me to tell them? They would love greater engagement from members and non-members alike.

For the avoidance of doubt, to whom do you refer to as "the likes of me" and "them"?

[tractor]

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For the avoidance of doubt, to whom do you refer to as "the likes of me" and "them"?

He's talking rubbish again. I know of at least 3 members who regularly post here who have recently made their views known over there and they are instantly rubbished by the likes of him.

Unfortunately, if you are a non member it will cost you to go over there and see it for yourself.

[eek]

He's talking rubbish again. I know of at least 3 members who regularly post here who have recently made their views known over there and they are instantly rubbished by the likes of him.

Unfortunately, if you are a non member it will cost you to go over there and see it for yourself.

Why would you need to go over there to see that. The general tone of their representatives here make it utterly clear how contradicting views would be treated there..