PM: To Kate McCaan

[Churchill]

You can't wrap them in cotton wool forever. If you're worried about them toddling off when they're younger, you just need to use more masking tape to secure them to the wall when you head off to the pub.

No More Nails, Shirley?

[DodgyAgent]

If she had been abducted whilst they were sleeping in the next room then they wouldn't have been vilified as much as they have been. The simple fact is they were not in the next room but at a bar virtually out of sight, and probably earshot, of where they left them unattended to have a good time with their mates.

That's providing the story that she was abducted is true of course.

So they think it is acceptable to leave their kids unattended whilst they go for a drink and you do not. Fair enough. I am somewhere between the two views as are many other people, just as there are many others who think like you and those who are laissez faire like the Mcanns. The point is that the issue of the parents not being there is a different issue just as a young girl dressing provocatively is another issue to whether she gets raped or not. People like you and Churchill who seek to criticise the mcanns for leaving their children (whilst god forbid enjoying themselves!) are clearly trying to imply that they brought it upon themselves.

As there is no point in doing this I can only assume that you do it for other reasons - i.e imposing the sanctity of your own parenting principles on everyone else.

The fact we use the Mcanns position as an excuse for imposing our own views of parenthood is pathetic when the central point is that they have suffered the loss of a child from an abductor who seems to no longer be the cause of the abduction.

It is what has happened in Rotherham where the children have been ignored because of who they are and the criminals have also been ignored because the victims were "asking for it" The mentality is exactly the same.

As for your other comment about the circumstances of Madeleines's disappearance that is an entirely different question. How about dealing with that one on an innocent until proven guilty basis?

[mudskipper]

WIS

[MarillionFan]

WIS

"Until someone can show me the perfect parent, I'm not going to judge other parents for errors of judgement unless they've been deliberately cruel or abusive. "


This_one_apparently

[d000hg]

Her points were nothing worse than anything on this thread

That's not really an excuse.

And onedifference is, while anyone on the web can see this thread, CUK is a community talking between itself, not blasting the nastiness out there to be seen by the world. Don't use Twitter if you are not intending the whole world to see it, at least restrict yourself to FaceBook or a forum.

[DodgyAgent]

WIS

[Churchill]

So they think it is acceptable to leave their kids unattended whilst they go for a drink and you do not. Fair enough. I am somewhere between the two views as are many other people, just as there are many others who think like you and those who are laissez faire like the Mcanns. The point is that the issue of the parents not being there is a different issue just as a young girl dressing provocatively is another issue to whether she gets raped or not. People like you and Churchill who seek to criticise the mcanns for leaving their children (whilst god forbid enjoying themselves!) are clearly trying to imply that they brought it upon themselves.

As there is no point in doing this I can only assume that you do it for other reasons - i.e imposing the sanctity of your own parenting principles on everyone else.

The fact we use the Mcanns position as an excuse for imposing our own views of parenthood is pathetic when the central point is that they have suffered the loss of a child from an abductor who seems to no longer be the cause of the abduction.

It is what has happened in Rotherham where the children have been ignored because of who they are and the criminals have also been ignored because the victims were "asking for it" The mentality is exactly the same.

The central point is that they are complicit in the loss of their child!

It's **** all to do with Rotherham and it's **** all to do with how I choose to raise my child. They failed in their duty of care and Madeleine is paying the price.

Don't try and gloss over that fact.

Your feeble attempt to try and discredit someone else's opinion by making assumptions about their parenting skills doesn't add to the discussion!

[d000hg]

Your actions would make you partly responsible if you were at home and an intruder broke in, and after overpowering you, kidnapped your kid, if you had never taken hand-to-hand combat classes.
Responsibility != complicity.

[DodgyAgent]

The central point is that they are complicit in the loss of their child!

It's **** all to do with Rotherham and it's **** all to do with how I choose to raise my child. They failed in their duty of care and Madeleine is paying the price.

Don't try and gloss over that fact.

Your feeble attempt to try and discredit someone else's opinion by making assumptions about their parenting skills doesn't add to the discussion!

You still seem incapable of defining the rules of child rearing. So oh good perfect parent can you please please tell us less worthy parents how we should leave our children (if at all) _ I take it you go nowhere without your child? I am pretty sure that the Mcanns and the rest of us would like to know exactly how we are supposed to bring up our children.

[TykeMerc]

As Churchill just pointed out, you can obfuscate, put forwards absurd scenarios and claim that people are being sanctimonious as much as you like, the facts are the facts (as far as we call tell from the evidence on record).

The McCanns left their 3 small children without supervision while they chose to go somewhere else. One of the children subsequently went missing under circumstances that have never been established.
The McCanns choice to act in a way that can be described as neglectful of their duty of care as parents led directly to the child going missing. As a result they bear responsibility for what happened to the child that has gone missing.

As a parent I never left my children unsupervised (not some mythical Dodgy Agent interpretation) while they were of an age that they couldn't reasonably take care of themselves. Many other parents on this forum feel, act or have acted the same way with their kids, one or two feel that leaving their offspring unsupervised is reasonable.
My opinion is that leaving children unsupervised until they're of a suitable age and maturity is neglect, simple as that.