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    #91
    Originally posted by minestrone View Post
    I used to think opinion for nationalism varied most visibly over the class divide.

    I now very clearly see the biggest factor is intelligence.
    What ? No source information then for your "RBS and Standard Life have announced they are moving to London" story then ?
    When freedom comes along, don't PISH in the water supply.....

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      #92
      Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
      There will be no CU and sterlingisation probably means ejection from EU. The only significant downside to setting up a new currency is the lost votes, and it will be too late for the voters then. And he can blame Westminster for bullying.
      Yep, Salmond has been careful to say they are all options and he will try and get the best based on negotiations.

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        #93
        Originally posted by Scrag Meister View Post
        Sounds like the British people need a referendum to see if we want to leave the UK too.

        This is warming up, I really hope that the majority of average Scottish people have the necessary true information to enable them to make an educated decision rather then some purely emotional we want to be Scottish vote.

        There is an awful lot to consider. Interesting interviews the other day about sports stars moving, to live and train in the UK cos Scotland doesn't have all the necessary training infrastructure. Not something I had even considered.

        I am sure there are plenty of things like this, but ones that will have a greater -ve effect on the Scottish people, economy, government etc...

        Personally I, as an English man, think the UK is better together, but also see why the Scottish want their independence, just think there are loads of unknowns, and its not an easily reversible decision.

        Good luck on Thursday, hope you make the right choice.
        Chris Hoy trained in Manchester virtually his whole career. Andy Murray went to Barcelona as a youngster. Even Englishman Mo Farrah lives and trains in the USA. We have had a dearth of training facilities in Scotland although that has improved since the Commonwealth Games.

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          #94
          Originally posted by minestrone View Post
          Secret oil fields the English have been hiding from us.

          The stuff of madness.
          I'm sure the majority of the English didn't know about them either.

          You have to get into your thick skull that this isn't Scotland v England. Westminster governments have hidden stuff from us before just in case it led to independence. How black gold was hijacked: North sea oil and the betrayal of Scotland - This Britain - UK - The Independent

          Other senior government minsters from back then have now admitted they kept stuff hidden. This doesn't absolve Scots who were in senior government and shadow cabinets as they were trying to protect their own jobs just like the Unionist MPs today.

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            #95
            Originally posted by Batcher View Post
            I'm sure the majority of the English didn't know about them either.

            You have to get into your thick skull that this isn't Scotland v England. Westminster governments have hidden stuff from us before just in case it led to independence. How black gold was hijacked: North sea oil and the betrayal of Scotland - This Britain - UK - The Independent

            Other senior government minsters from back then have now admitted they kept stuff hidden. This doesn't absolve Scots who were in senior government and shadow cabinets as they were trying to protect their own jobs just like the Unionist MPs today.
            Are you saying that there is a conspiracy of monstrous proportions?

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              #96
              Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
              Are you saying that there is a conspiracy of monstrous proportions?
              A worrying new trend ?
              When freedom comes along, don't PISH in the water supply.....

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                #97
                Originally posted by Old Greg View Post
                Are you saying that there is a conspiracy of monstrous proportions?
                Did you read that article I linked from The Independent a few years ago? It was a conspiracy and people have now admitted it. Governments can make anything classified and lock them away just as they did with the McCrone Report.

                Here's a scan of the actual report in pdf http://www.oilofscotland.org/Mccrone...tishOffice.pdf

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                  #98
                  Scotland makes more from the city of London that the UK makes from north sea oil.

                  We don't have that much oil, never really have made that much from it apart from a couple of years where the oil price spiked. It has never been that important to the UK, not as important as London is to the UK.

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                    #99
                    Originally posted by Batcher View Post
                    Did you read that article I linked from The Independent a few years ago? It was a conspiracy and people have now admitted it. Governments can make anything classified and lock them away just as they did with the McCrone Report.

                    Here's a scan of the actual report in pdf http://www.oilofscotland.org/Mccrone...tishOffice.pdf
                    Who are the people who admitted that there was a conspiracy?

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                      Originally posted by minestrone View Post
                      Scotland makes more from the city of London that the UK makes from north sea oil.

                      We don't have that much oil, never really have made that much from it apart from a couple of years where the oil price spiked. It has never been that important to the UK, not as important as London is to the UK.
                      Independence for London!!
                      "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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