Salmond "We can take Scotland in two weeks"

[sirja]

Jeez, we can use Sterling, but will have no central Bank and be required to hold vast amounts of cash in reserve to be allowed entry into the EU (if we can swing a Clause 48 entry).

Vote yes with your heart, but let your head grasp the true implications. You may decide that it's still worth it - but really denying the risks is crazy.....

This for me is the real crux of the matter. There are many reasons why people can vote Yes, but if they are going to vote that way, it should be with eyes wide open, a FULL knowledge of the facts and risks so as to avoid any serve cases of 'Buyer Remorse'

[jemb]

Scotland will be allowed in, just not on whatever terms Salmond demands.

Eventually they may well be, however we will have to overcome fiscal hurdles to ensure entry, including vast reserves, acceptance of debt, no rebate etc.

As an aside, if we get in we will be paying for the RUK rebate.

[Unix]

It is not necessarily crazy. It could just be dishonest. But the questions remains to our pro-independence zealot friends:

Are you liars, or just plain thick?

The thick ones are the no voters who believe the liars saying there will be no CU.

[Batcher]

Will you continue to repost this nonsense? It isn't up to Juncker.
You should also note that:

• 1. Juncker has also stated that Scotland would not be entitiled to the rebate which the UK currently has.
  2. Clause 48 entry may well be opposed by Spain, Belgium and France
  3. Cluase 49 entry will require us to leave and then reapply. reapplying would require us to take the Euro.
  4. Germany has stated that if Scotland defaults on its debt then that would be incomptabile with EU mambership.
  5. The EU has stated that sharing sterling would require a Scottish goverment to hold vast quantities o cash in reserve as we would not have a central bank.

Voye 'Yes' - but understand the risks.

I would just like to point out that you are the one that keeps reposting it

I said Juncker was sympathetic, not that he had the absolute power to let us in. We are a unique case as it hasn't happened before so there is every chance we will get in as we are already EU citizens.

The graphic isn't nonsense as it represents the potential we have in numbers.

[DodgyAgent]

Scotland will be allowed in, just not on whatever terms Salmond demands.

In the same way that Australia opened its doors to the poms in the last century. They needed bus conductors and road sweepers.

[Unix]

Eventually they may well be, however we will have to overcome fiscal hurdles to ensure entry, including vast reserves, acceptance of debt, no rebate etc.

As an aside, if we get in we will be paying for the RUK rebate.

If we accept debt we get our share of the reserves, why don't you get that?

[Unix]

I would just like to point out that you are the one that keeps reposting it

I said Juncker was sympathetic, not that he had the absolute power to let us in. We are a unique case as it hasn't happened before so there is every chance we will get in as we are already EU citizens.

The graphic isn't nonsense as it represents the potential we have in numbers.

Given the independence referendum process was done democratically and legally, we will get into the EU no problem.

[Batcher]

In the same way that Australia opened its doors to the poms in the last century. They needed bus conductors and road sweepers.

Yes but they had standards. Agents were told to **** off.

[Old Greg]

This for me is the real crux of the matter. There are many reasons why people can vote Yes, but if they are going to vote that way, it should be with eyes wide open, a FULL knowledge of the facts and risks so as to avoid any serve cases of 'Buyer Remorse'

But here I think is the mindset of the hardcore nationalists whose life work is gaining independence : do they take the view:

1. This is about democracy so we must present the best case for independence to allow everyone to make up their mind so that the will of the Scottish people will prevail.

or

2. This is a once in a generation opportunity to liberate the nation from the English Tory yoke, so any half truth, deception or lie is justified, because we know what is best for Scotland.

It is a very tawdry affair.

[Old Greg]

If we accept debt we get our share of the reserves, why don't you get that?

Yes, you get your share of the reserves. But not currency union.

And will your share of the reserves be enough to maintain the Panama solution (assuming you are prepared to take the high risk of ejection from the EU), or a currency peg for the Scots Pound? For the latter, I think probably so, and if not, no biggie as you can revalue.