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Originally posted by Unix View Post"We will stop murdering your people now if you surrender"Socialism is inseparably interwoven with totalitarianism and the abject worship of the state.
No Socialist Government conducting the entire life and industry of the country could afford to allow free, sharp, or violently-worded expressions of public discontent.Comment
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Originally posted by Unix View Post"We will stop murdering your people now if you surrender"Originally posted by MicrosoftBob View PostOk that's Hamas message but explain the relevance ???Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThe relevance is that Unix isn't a knee-jerk" follow the trend" lefty, he's a fully-fledged terrorist apologist.Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThe relevance is that Unix isn't a knee-jerk" follow the trend" lefty, he's a fully-fledged terrorist apologist.Comment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostDo you think the Palestinians have a legal and moral right to violently resist occupation?
1) Hamas (and other organisations) consider that the entire territory of Israel is occupied Islamic land. With that mindset, there is only one possible solution for them - the annihilation of Israel as a state. Since Israel has a legal and moral right to exist, one of them is going to have their rights violated. Frankly, I'm more on the side of a reasonably free, democratic nation than on a group seeking to build a Sharia state, so I'd prefer (and think it would be better for the world) that Israel's right to exist wins out.
2) Resistance must remain within international law as well. Terrorist acts are immoral. Missile/rocket attacks under international law, must be targeted at military targets. They must not be indiscriminate. There's arguments that Israel violate that law. There's no argument at all that Hamas et al. violate that law - they do. They don't even pretend to target only military targets; they boast about targetting civilians. They only stopped with the suicide bombings because they felt the rockets were more effective at disrupting normal Israeli life.
Launching attacks from civilian areas is also contrary to international law.
Hamas and their apologists (and ignorant fools in the West) love to bleat about international law and UN resolutions when they're in their favour. but have no compunction to violate international law (and UN resolutions) when they feel it's in their interest.
While I recognise that Israel often acts illegally and oppressively against the Palestinians, I do not think that justifies any and all actions that the Palestinians attempt against Israel.
It is rather more complex than "Palestinian good, Israel baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhd". (or vice versa).Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by Old Greg View PostDo you think the Palestinians have a legal and moral right to violently resist occupation?Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostOf course - if it were simply a case of an occupying force. But it isn't.
1) Hamas (and other organisations) consider that the entire territory of Israel is occupied Islamic land. With that mindset, there is only one possible solution for them - the annihilation of Israel as a state. Since Israel has a legal and moral right to exist, one of them is going to have their rights violated. Frankly, I'm more on the side of a reasonably free, democratic nation than on a group seeking to build a Sharia state, so I'd prefer (and think it would be better for the world) that Israel's right to exist wins out.
2) Resistance must remain within international law as well. Terrorist acts are immoral. Missile/rocket attacks under international law, must be targeted at military targets. They must not be indiscriminate. There's arguments that Israel violate that law. There's no argument at all that Hamas et al. violate that law - they do. They don't even pretend to target only military targets; they boast about targetting civilians. They only stopped with the suicide bombings because they felt the rockets were more effective at disrupting normal Israeli life.
Launching attacks from civilian areas is also contrary to international law.
Hamas and their apologists (and ignorant fools in the West) love to bleat about international law and UN resolutions when they're in their favour. but have no compunction to violate international law (and UN resolutions) when they feel it's in their interest.
While I recognise that Israel often acts illegally and oppressively against the Palestinians, I do not think that justifies any and all actions that the Palestinians attempt against Israel.
It is rather more complex than "Palestinian good, Israel baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhd". (or vice versa).According to international law, holding land acquired in this way is illegal. However, Israel's response is "so invade.... oh yeah, you tried that, and it didn't work, did it?".
So do you need a number 3 then? I.e. if number 2 is to be upheld, then you need 3) give back the land that was illegally taken?Comment
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Originally posted by SpontaneousOrder View PostSo do you need a number 3 then? I.e. if number 2 is to be upheld, then you need 3) give back the land that was illegally taken?Let us not forget EU open doors immigration benefits IT contractors more than anyoneComment
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Originally posted by DodgyAgent View PostIf only it were as simple as that but it is not. The Palestinians have launched rockets at the israelis and the Israelis wish to put a stop to it. Their reaction may well include invading gaza in order to put an end to the attacks. trying to take an isolated event out of the context of the whole story is rather a stupid way of trying to understand and deal with the problem.Comment
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