Tech Mahindra - contracting through them

[ChimpMaster]

Always wondered what the offshore resources are costing. Based on 5-10 x then I guess we're possibly looking as low as £30-£40 a day. Really?

That's my guess. I was told a few years ago but forgot the exact numbers... a banking client was fooled by offshore proposals and in the end they had a team of 4 or 5 offshore guys to replace me. Not sure how that worked out for them - but certainly couldn't have been financially or technically beneficial.

[malvolio]

That's my guess. I was told a few years ago but forgot the exact numbers... a banking client was fooled by offshore proposals and in the end they had a team of 4 or 5 offshore guys to replace me. Not sure how that worked out for them - but certainly couldn't have been financially or technically beneficial.

£350 up for onshore, £120 up or offshore. Don't be fooled by what they pay their workers.

[mrdonuts]

its a possibility they just want your cv so they can suck out possible targets for offshoring

[ChimpMaster]

£350 up for onshore, £120 up or offshore. Don't be fooled by what they pay their workers.

So it's all a game where someone is benefitting through a brown paper envelope filled with rupees... or dollars, seeing as that is the preferred currency out there.

But we all know that because most deals such as these are driven not by the drive to improve things but rather by the bribes that can benefit those in (supposed) power. It was obvious at the bank where I was contracted: the on/off shoring of Indian resources resulted in a substantial degradation in service quality coupled with overall rise in cost (resources, getting the work done etc).

I wouldn't mind if such resources were any good at their job, or at least able to provide a fair service for the price paid. But no, we were swapped out for Monkeys being paid high-grade peanuts.

[nemosdad]

Always wondered what the offshore resources are costing. Based on 5-10 x then I guess we're possibly looking as low as £30-£40 a day. Really?

They charge the client fully and pay peanuts to the guys they bring from offshore. The offshore guys will have their salaries paid in Indian money which will be in the range of £500-£1000 a month and will get a small allowance here for around £800-£1200 per month along with a free shared accommodation, They have their office near where I live and I have seen around 4-6 guys crammed into a two bed apartment


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[JoJoGabor]

I don't work for techM but am dealing with them and their contractors extensively at current client and reviewed an ex-colleagues contract for him last week who was brought on. The contract now is fairly robust for IR35, got the usual clauses in but some nasty ones around expenses and some other bits I can't remember.

In terms of working practices you are their complete bitch and IR35 is blown out of the water. They micro manage, falsify client time sheets without you knowing, are very political and will manipulate you anyway they can. Of the guys I sit with, all are p1ssed off with TechM and that includes white British, Indian British and Indian nationals ( contractors and permies)

TechM are currently refusing to sign time sheets for one guy until he does something they want which he disagrees with.

[MicrosoftBob]

I'd rather go on the dole permanently than consider TM

[Eirikur]

I'd rather go on the dole permanently than consider TM

+1

[psychocandy]

They charge the client fully and pay peanuts to the guys they bring from offshore. The offshore guys will have their salaries paid in Indian money which will be in the range of £500-£1000 a month and will get a small allowance here for around £800-£1200 per month along with a free shared accommodation, They have their office near where I live and I have seen around 4-6 guys crammed into a two bed apartment


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I guess this is why the system is so crap.

Client manager reduces cost from £350/day to £120/day. Gets promotion for saving the company money.

Offshore company pockets £120/day gives lot less to workers. They make a profit.

Indian worker is used to getting treated like tulipe and isnt bothered by low wage. Hes happy.

Everyone in the chain happy until they realise the service is tulipe but its too late then. Cheap seems to trump quality in all things these days.

[tomtomagain]

I guess this is why the system is so crap.

Client manager reduces cost from £350/day to £120/day. Gets promotion for saving the company money.

Offshore company pockets £120/day gives lot less to workers. They make a profit.

Indian worker is used to getting treated like tulipe and isnt bothered by low wage. Hes happy.

Everyone in the chain happy until they realise the service is tulipe but its too late then. Cheap seems to trump quality in all things these days.

.... ah but you forgot that the extra £220 per day saved by the company is initially paid out as profit ( shareholders happy ) but then as things start to fail more resources are brought on.

And then more roles are created within the client organisation to manage the offshore service provider.

So although the initial head count is saved it is soon replaced by people with "Manager" in their job title. Aka "Release Manager", "Transition Manager", "Business Liaison Manager", "Infrastructure", "Test", "Project" and so on.

Most of these people "Face off" to an equivalent within the service provider and soon everyone spends their days in meetings.

Eventually the client company is unable to make rapid changes to their systems ( as they no longer own or understand them ) and get fleeced by everyone within the organisation. Management structures are self-preserving.

What eventually happens is a young, small, upstart company pops up and eats their lunch.