Who do I ask for a rise: Client or Agent?

[itjobs]

I am in the project (Testing) for couple of months in London. Accepted a daily rate of £425 that I was not very happy about considering my several years of experience in Ruby, Java, Spring, Cucumber, Cucumber-JVM, Jenkins CI, Agile etc, however did so to get into a leading Investment Bank. Client is extremely happy with my work so far as I have managed to convince project members on testing approach (its really hard to get things moving in IB) through presentations on Agile, BDD, TDD in addition to testing. Now client got couple of so called experienced newbies (Indians) with no exposure whatsoever at the same rate. Having seen ads for £500-£600+ for my skills, I have decided to quit and apply elsewhere.

Two weeks before, I informed agent that I have started looking elsewhere considering the cost involved in travelling to London from Midlands on a daily basis. He said the client would talk to me but client didn't (they may be aware that I am expecting a rise but not sure). Is it worth talking to client before sending contract termination notice to Agent? I am quite confident of getting another contract.

Thanks

[Bunk]

Now client got couple of more experienced newbies (Indians) with no exposure whatsoever at the same rate.

Which is it? More experienced? Newbies? How do you know what rate they are on?

Two weeks before, I informed agent that I have started looking elsewhere considering the cost involved in travelling to London from Midlands on a daily basis. He said the client would talk to me but client didn't (they may be aware that I am expecting a rise but not sure). Is it worth talking to client before sending contract termination notice to Agent? I am quite confident of getting another contract.

The agent has probably done nothing, in the hope that you'll just carry on and forget about it. Chase him up first to make sure he's approached the client. Then if there's still no contact from the client, mention it to them.

[itjobs]

Which is it? More experienced? Newbies? How do you know what rate they are on?



The agent has probably done nothing, in the hope that you'll just carry on and forget about it. Chase him up first to make sure he's approached the client. Then if there's still no contact from the client, mention it to them.

Changed "more" to "So-called" because that is what they are. I happened to know the rates because client wanted me to interview them by passing the agent's email to me which mentioned the rates, but I politely declined to interview. They were interviewed and recruited by some permie.

[malvolio]

Changed "more" to "So-called" because that is what they are. I happened to know the rates because client wanted me to interview them by passing the agent's email to me which mentioned the rates, but I politely declined to interview. They were interviewed and recruited by some permie.

Silly boy... Don't whine you've got a crap team if you turned down the opportunity to recruit your own.

S you want a £100 a day rise minimum? You won't get that where you are without doing something really exceptional.

[DigitalUser]

I am in the project (Testing) for couple of months in London. Accepted a daily rate of £425 that I was not very happy about considering my several years of experience in Ruby, Java, Spring, Cucumber, Cucumber-JVM, Jenkins CI, Agile etc, however did so to get into a leading Investment Bank. Client is extremely happy with my work so far as I have managed to convince project members on testing approach (its really hard to get things moving in IB) through presentations on Agile, BDD, TDD in addition to testing. Now client got couple of so called experienced newbies (Indians) with no exposure whatsoever at the same rate. Having seen ads for £500-£600+ for my skills, I have decided to quit and apply elsewhere.

Two weeks before, I informed agent that I have started looking elsewhere considering the cost involved in travelling to London from Midlands on a daily basis. He said the client would talk to me but client didn't (they may be aware that I am expecting a rise but not sure). Is it worth talking to client before sending contract termination notice to Agent? I am quite confident of getting another contract.

Thanks

I'm not sure what the ethnicity of your fellow coworkers has to do with anything. Sounds like a case of crying over spilt milk.

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[TheFaQQer]

I am in the project (Testing) for couple of months in London.

Accepted a daily rate of £425 that I was not very happy about considering my several years of experience in Ruby, Java, Spring, Cucumber, Cucumber-JVM, Jenkins CI, Agile etc, however did so to get into a leading Investment Bank. Client is extremely happy with my work so far as I have managed to convince project members on testing approach (its really hard to get things moving in IB) through presentations on Agile, BDD, TDD in addition to testing. Now client got couple of so called experienced newbies (Indians) with no exposure whatsoever at the same rate. Having seen ads for £500-£600+ for my skills, I have decided to quit and apply elsewhere.

Good luck with your new role.

Two weeks before, I informed agent that I have started looking elsewhere considering the cost involved in travelling to London from Midlands on a daily basis.

Did he explain why your inability top estimate wasn't his problem?

He said the client would talk to me but client didn't (they may be aware that I am expecting a rise but not sure). Is it worth talking to client before sending contract termination notice to Agent?

It's always worth making sure that everyone involved in the process is aware of the situation.

I am quite confident of getting another contract.

Good luck with the new role - make sure you've done your sums this time, so you don't look like a buffoon suddenly demanding a 25% rate increase after a short time, merely because you can't price things up and other people can.

[psychocandy]

Which is it? More experienced? Newbies? How do you know what rate they are on?



The agent has probably done nothing, in the hope that you'll just carry on and forget about it. Chase him up first to make sure he's approached the client. Then if there's still no contact from the client, mention it to them.

WHS. Although sounds like client is one of those where cost is the most important hence happy to offshore.

[TheFaQQer]

WHS. Although sounds like client is one of those where cost is the most important hence happy to offshore.

Hmmm - bringing in two people at the same rate as the OP doesn't really indicate that they are focussing on cost.

[kal]

Hmmm - bringing in two people at the same rate as the OP doesn't really indicate that they are focussing on cost.

At the end of the day the OP seems a bit narked that other people on the project are on higher rates, you agreed a rate so live with it. I know for a fact that where I am others are on more for doing the same role as me, am I fussed, no. I agreed a rate and am happy with it. Good luck to others that have got more (Of course come renewal time I may look to negotiate an increase but I am not going to throw my toys out of my pram like the OP and alienate a good client mid contract!).

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I am in the project (Testing) for couple of months in London. Accepted a daily rate of £425 that I was not very happy about considering my several years of experience in Ruby, Java, Spring, Cucumber, Cucumber-JVM, Jenkins CI, Agile etc, however did so to get into a leading Investment Bank. Client is extremely happy with my work so far as I have managed to convince project members on testing approach (its really hard to get things moving in IB) through presentations on Agile, BDD, TDD in addition to testing. Now client got couple of so called experienced newbies (Indians) with no exposure whatsoever at the same rate. Having seen ads for £500-£600+ for my skills, I have decided to quit and apply elsewhere.

Two weeks before, I informed agent that I have started looking elsewhere considering the cost involved in travelling to London from Midlands on a daily basis. He said the client would talk to me but client didn't (they may be aware that I am expecting a rise but not sure). Is it worth talking to client before sending contract termination notice to Agent? I am quite confident of getting another contract.

Thanks

Firstly these newbies must be permie with their company (not on a good pay). Try to find out what company they work for. If they do work for another company and are not independent contractors then you are in trouble. The client is probably trying a long term strategy in handing over that area to a managed service company. It happened to me. They may be charging 425 to the client but the newbies are probably not getting much.

Is your problem to do with "how can they pay these newbies the same rate as me when I'm so experienced?" ? I'd say negotiate a rate rise when it is time for renewal and not anywhere in the middle of your contract. It will not go down well. And the client will never jump from £425 to say 600. They will probably offer you a 5-10% raise.

But then if are confident you can get a contract at £600, then go for it. But don't burn bridges with your current client. You may need them for references and in future.