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Is anyone using a contrived agency contract?
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Originally posted by TheCyclingProgrammer View PostJust to reiterate, the proposed legislation changes only change the agency regulations and do not change anything as far as IR35 and RoS go.Comment
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Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View PostInterestingly there is a glossary in the onshore intermediaries consultation document which describes a PSC as "a small limited company through which a owner/director provides there [sic] own personal services"
I wonder I they've noticed that among many others, Philip Green and Richard Branson's companies only have 2-3 employees including themselves...Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostI wonder I they've noticed that among many others, Philip Green and Richard Branson's companies only have 2-3 employees including themselves...Comment
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Originally posted by GazCol View PostIt’s a huge step in the right direction – direction and control needs much more emphasis than right of substitution as that, in my opinion at least, is a far bigger pointer towards disguised employment or not.
Now, if only HMRC would target all parties to the contract for IR35 (recouping lost Employer’s NI from who they’ve just deemed to be the employee, has to be up there with one of the biggest contradictions in UK tax law) rather than just the contractor that would be great.Comment
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Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View PostInterestingly there is a glossary in the onshore intermediaries consultation document which describes a PSC as "a small limited company through which a owner/director provides there [sic] own personal services"
"A personal service company (PSC) is a small limited company thorough [sic] which a owner/director provides there [sic] own personal services."Comment
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostTwo sics for the price of one in the consultation doc ...
"A personal service company (PSC) is a small limited company thorough [sic] which a owner/director provides there [sic] own personal services."
https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...employment.pdfComment
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostAgreed, lack of D&C is a critically important factor that is both straightforward to understand and to evidence. Among other things, it separates between low-skilled workers under contrived employment arrangements vs. high-skilled workers that provide discrete, technical, services that are not available in-house. Lack of D&C is where the focus needs to be IMHO.
If they just want more pelf, harmonise NI with personal tax or target the end clients/intermediaries, rather than trying to invent contorted, arbitrary standards for differentiating two forms of providing your business. Not that I am unhappy with the present state of affairs relative to that scenario.
Also, couldn't these agencies rely on both lack of MoO and the presence of a ROS? Lack of MoO shouldn't be any harder to write into a contract, or evidence.
So I am in agreement with Malvolio on this.Last edited by Zero Liability; 12 December 2013, 21:05.Comment
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