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[rurffy]

Conversation with a friend. …

Agent pays £300 , found out gig pays agent £400.

Will you rant ? or chill

[Ticktock]

Conversation with a friend. …

Agent pays £300 , found out gig pays agent £400.

Will you rant ? or chill

So the client pays £700, or £400?
Either way, I won't rant. When I were a lad, and just starting in contracting (a couple of years ago) I charged even less than that - I dread to think how many bottles of pop the agent must have made from me, but all I knew was that I was earning much more than a permie.

[northernladuk]

Rant about the fact about the fact you couldn't negotiate a decent deal and letting the agent cream you? I would just chill out of embarrassment I screwed up and have him at renewal time.

You liked the rate, you accepted the contract at that rate. What is there to rant about?

[rurffy]

So the client pays £700, or £400?
Either way, I won't rant. When I were a lad, and just starting in contracting (a couple of years ago) I charged even less than that - I dread to think how many bottles of pop the agent must have made from me, but all I knew was that I was earning much more than a permie.

Client pays £400 ,

My view is not to aim earning more than permies but to aim earning what you are actually worth.. (

[northernladuk]

Client pays £400 ,

My view is not to aim earning more than permies but to aim earning what you are actually worth.. (

So it is up to you to negotiate hard to get what you worth. He signed at £300 so must have thought that was what he was worth. You sure you are not getting confused with earn as much as possible from what is being offered? Either way, in both situations it is up to the contractor to negotiate and if he isn't happy he walks.

Very flawed thread this....

[amcdonald]

True to a point but in the end the client has expectations based on what they pay not necssarily what you earn

If there's too much disparity you're likely to be canned earlier because they think you're expensive

The agency margin does matter, if it's too much it makes it easier for another agency to parachute in another contractor to undercut you.

[rurffy]

So it is up to you to negotiate hard to get what you worth. He signed at £300 so must have thought that was what he was worth. You sure you are not getting confused with earn as much as possible from what is being offered? Either way, in both situations it is up to the contractor to negotiate and if he isn't happy he walks.

Very flawed thread this....

Yes, I agree with you ... it doesnt really matter what the client pays the agent.
But on this scenario, what would be the ideal rate he(contractor) would have asked for ?

[Murder1]

Yes, I agree with you ... it doesnt really matter what the client pays the agent.
But on this scenario, what would be the ideal rate he(contractor) would have asked for ?

Impossible to say.

For example, if the agent caved to your demand for an increase and paid £360 a day would you be happy? And would you still be happy if you found out the client was paying £460 a day?

[Antman]

I think that it's very easy to say charge what you are worth but how to you decide what that is?

Is there anywhere where you can see how much stuff (expertise, talent, knowledge) costs in order to work out what your worth is? A builder can give you a price per square metre but for us it's basically to do with your perception of your worth and what you understand the market is paying. Typically you can see this when people don't get the roles they go after and their warchest starts disappearing, their perception changes and they start considering less paying roles.

You might think that you are worth £400 say (based on what? it should be the highest rate you've ever had but that's not the most accurate figure there maybe higher paying roles you could have got but haven't) but there'd be no point contracting for less than £200, somebody offers you a role for £300 you shuffle along and take it.

Needless to say this suits the agents right down to the ground.

[ExPermie]

Conversation with a friend. …

Agent pays £300 , found out gig pays agent £400.

Will you rant ? or chill

I would chill. If extension/renewal was on the cards then I'd try to haggle for more.

However, if 300 was agreed then I don't see cause for a rant.