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Becoming a permie take 3

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    Becoming a permie take 3

    Thought I would throw my keys into the bowl on the going permie debate and see if you guys can help me make the right choice. Here's my situation...

    Only been contracting for just over 12 months and all at the same client who really want me to stay on as a permie. Before this contract I'd been at the same place (permie) for 6 years and had to get out as I was so fed up of office politics and basically just wanted to get back to coding (I'm a C#/web dev at heart).

    Really landed on my feet with this contract, direct with a great local company through my network of colleagues. Initially was just supposed to be a 3 monther but 12 months on and I'm still here, and will be until end of July as things stand. Don't think it'll stretch any further as they've now put the permie role on the table so I think come July it'll be make or break.

    The company is a great place to work: low stress, interesting work, great people (including a few ex-colleagues who've managed to land permie jobs here on my recommendation) and it's 15 minutes drive from home. Permie role would be basically what I'm doing now but I think there's scope for me to carve out a role of my choosing as they really want me to stay so I think they'd be pretty flexible in that regard. Salary offering is well above the local average and basically as good as I'm ever likely to get doing this job in the local area (it's circa £50k + pension + healthcare etc.) and I've only just turned 30 last year

    The dilemma:

    a) Part of me feels like I've not given contracting enough of a chance, and as I've only been at the one client I can't really say I've got a true experience from it and whether it would work for me long term.

    b) I've got a plan B (lol who doesn't...) that's earning me about £850pcm and this is pretty much guaranteed for the next 2 years (it's a fixed service agreement). Obviously as a contractor I just lump this into my earnings and draw on it as needed, but as a permie I'd instantly become a higher rate tax payer again, so there's a question of how to manage this income in the most tax efficient way. (Yes I know, ask my accountant, but is it likely I can just keep it in the bank and extract it at some later point in one lump sum with a minimal tax hit?)

    c) Although the permie salary is great, it's still about £1k less in my pocket each month, but obviously that's not accounting for possibly being out of work come August plus the other 'benefits' of permiedom like paid holidays etc. so perhaps that figure is a bit misleading.


    I guess the million dollar question is, given the apparent state of the market (which I've yet to really battle with), does it make sense to grab this permie role while it's there, sit on it for a couple of years while plan B hopefully builds up and either go back contracting later or ideally move to plan B full time (yes we can all dream ...).

    Other thing is I'm hoping to move house this year and although I've now got 1 years accounts, I'm thinking a new mortgage might be easier if I've got a perm role right now. Also I've got a fair bit in the warchest already (been pretty strict on saving) so if I do take the perm role this cash could be extracted and either put into the house move or kept as savings etc.

    Sorry that's a lot to digest, but I guess I'm interested to see what other contractors might do in my position. Answers on a postcard please...
    Last edited by Willapp; 3 May 2013, 09:22. Reason: typos

    #2
    Originally posted by Willapp View Post
    c) Although the permie salary is great, it's still about £1k less in my pocket each month, but obviously that's not accounting for possibly being out of work come August plus the other 'benefits' of permiedom like paid holidays etc. so perhaps that figure is a bit misleading.
    If that's the case then you could well be financially better off as a perm. I'd say either way the perm looks like a good option.

    I'm jumping ship for quite a bit less than I get as a contractor but in my mind it's a case of a step back to move forward. By that I mean being able to focus on a specialism without having to taking generalist contract rolls to keep the cash flowing.

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      #3
      Contracting is not what it was, often you have to travel, which these days eats up any financial advantage. We´ve just had a poster who would have had to have taken a 17% cut on his asking rate if had wanted the contract, a sign of the times. I would advise taking the permie role, you do earn an extra 850 pcm, which is not to be sniffed at and will help, and you don´t need to keep looking for new contracts every 12 months. If you stay a longtime at any place you are probably going to slip into IR35, yet another worry.
      I'm alright Jack

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        #4
        I've been contracting for over 15 years so, have experienced a few downturns and how it affects the availability of roles.

        The benefits of contracting have eroded a lot since I started out. For example, contracts were normally 26 weeks, now 13 weeks is the standard. You've got more tax 'worries' with contracting now even if you manage your tax affairs correctly ie IR35. Rates are being chipped away all the time and, Im finding more and more agencies are just utter carp and act like car or double glazing salesmen.

        I'd be quite happy to contract for 26 weeks in any 52 but, agents in particular start being stupid and overlook you because 'why cant you stay in a contract longer than 26 weeks' etc.

        If your work \ life balance is good where you are and you dont think the spectre of office politics will raise its head, go for it and stay where you are. Chasing the ££££'s isnt always the best option imo.
        I couldn't give two fornicators! Yes, really!

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          #5
          W'BB'S

          I am getting a day rate 25% more than 13 years ago, and having to travel and stay away on occasion. If I could get a perm role paying 75% of my contract income, then for the sake of paid leave, sick leave, pension etc. I would probably jump.
          Last edited by GB9; 3 May 2013, 10:27.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Willapp View Post

            Salary offering is well above the local average and basically as good as I'm ever likely to get doing this job in the local area (it's circa £50k + pension + healthcare etc.) and I've only just turned 30 last year

            Converting this to contract rate is like £200/day .. So think , are you worth this? or more ... You are kinda young so i presume you have about 7-8 years experience if i am right .

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              #7
              Originally posted by rurffy View Post
              Converting this to contract rate is like £200/day .. So think , are you worth this? or more ... You are kinda young so i presume you have about 7-8 years experience if i am right .
              50k plus pension plus health care, not to mention potential 'job security' is worth a lot more than £200 a day especially as he only has 15 minutes to travel to work and back.
              I couldn't give two fornicators! Yes, really!

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                #8
                Originally posted by rurffy View Post
                Converting this to contract rate is like £200/day .. So think , are you worth this? or more ... You are kinda young so i presume you have about 7-8 years experience if i am right .
                Yeah I basically have 9 full years commercial dev experience as of this summer. I don't want to blow my own trumpet (too hard anyway ...) but I know I'm good at what I do, plus I have the people skills to interview well and get on with people which is why I was confident that I could make it as a contractor if I wanted. This company have pretty much soaked up all the best talent in the local area (it's a pretty small world around here) so it would be a good place to set up roots for a while - they've grown considerably in the past 12 months and have a very profitable business which is why they pay so well.

                My current day rate is £275 which I think is ok/good for the area (I'm in East Anglia). When I first decided to go contracting I did accept that travelling further afield would probably be inevitable but I think after 12 months of a convenient local gig, I'm now less inclined to want to travel for work. This is what makes me worried that when the gravy train reaches the station I might be left with either no contract at all, or travelling further from home to get a decent enough rate to make it worth sticking with the contracting.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by BolshieBastard View Post
                  50k plus pension plus health care, not to mention potential 'job security' is worth a lot more than £200 a day especially as he only has 15 minutes to travel to work and back.
                  Yeah exactly. My parents think that the permie role is a good option - my Dad spent 40+ years at the same company and made a good point that a lot of job satisfaction is down to a combination of challenging/interesting work but also the people around you and it's definitely a good crowd here so I can't see office politics becoming an issue anytime soon.

                  Part of my worry is that the missus and I want to book a 2 week trip to the USA at the beginning of September (the dates are kinda fixed) to visit family/friends so I'm worried that if my contract does finish at the end of July I could end up with no work in August and then an expensive trip followed by the prospect of lining something up for my return - which could put a sizeable dent in the warchest. Take the permie role and I'm guaranteed work in August plus I get paid while I'm away and there's no stress of worrying about finding something new when I get back - is that just being short-sighted or being sensible, I can't decide??!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Willapp View Post
                    Yeah exactly. My parents think that the permie role is a good option - my Dad spent 40+ years at the same company and made a good point that a lot of job satisfaction is down to a combination of challenging/interesting work but also the people around you and it's definitely a good crowd here so I can't see office politics becoming an issue anytime soon.

                    Part of my worry is that the missus and I want to book a 2 week trip to the USA at the beginning of September (the dates are kinda fixed) to visit family/friends so I'm worried that if my contract does finish at the end of July I could end up with no work in August and then an expensive trip followed by the prospect of lining something up for my return - which could put a sizeable dent in the warchest. Take the permie role and I'm guaranteed work in August plus I get paid while I'm away and there's no stress of worrying about finding something new when I get back - is that just being short-sighted or being sensible, I can't decide??!
                    TBH, its a no brainer. Take the permie role and in 12 months you can see if the contract market has picked up (or got worse) and make a decision to stay or move back to contracting.
                    I couldn't give two fornicators! Yes, really!

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