Attitude to being available out of hours

[Ignis Fatuus]

Thanks for clearing that one up

Only my opinion. Worth what you paid for it (probably less if you ask NLUK).

[psychocandy]

Which brings me on to the next thing. Occasionally, I go to their customer site to do upgrades.

Extra hours is no problem - sometimes its out of hours. They're OK with that and I usually tell them Im taking a day off if I worked late the day before.

But, no matter how many times I point it out to them, they never listen when I tell them we need to plan for what to do if things go wrong. i.e. extended hours on site. They never have a backup plan for someone else to take over.

I've been on site for 16 hours in the past until 4am in the morning. Its not professional IMHO to expect someone to do this - mistakes get made when this tired. And its a clear breach of health and safety.....

But I tell them, they ignore me. I'm going to do it one day and walk off site and go home but that'll cause an almighty tulip storm....

[TheFaQQer]

Which brings me on to the next thing. Occasionally, I go to their customer site to do upgrades.

Extra hours is no problem - sometimes its out of hours. They're OK with that and I usually tell them Im taking a day off if I worked late the day before.

But, no matter how many times I point it out to them, they never listen when I tell them we need to plan for what to do if things go wrong. i.e. extended hours on site. They never have a backup plan for someone else to take over.

I've been on site for 16 hours in the past until 4am in the morning. Its not professional IMHO to expect someone to do this - mistakes get made when this tired. And its a clear breach of health and safety.....

But I tell them, they ignore me. I'm going to do it one day and walk off site and go home but that'll cause an almighty tulip storm....

Start doing some evening classes - explain to the client that you have to be somewhere at 7pm that day.

A few of us used to go to the theatre each week when we were working in London - PM used to look shocked every week when he'd ask us to stay late and we had tickets for things to go to whenever he asked.

[The Spartan]

Here I've used my evenings to upgrade my skill set to make me more valuable, so I class that as study time regardless if it is self taught or not I would say it's an evening class if asked to work late etc, my attitude to it is I work with them not for them it might be frowned upon but there are too many people out there willing exploit people's good nature.

[Ignis Fatuus]

Here I've used my evenings to upgrade my skill set to make me more valuable, so I class that as study time regardless if it is self taught or not I would say it's an evening class if asked to work late etc, my attitude to it is I work with them not for them it might be frowned upon but there are too many people out there willing exploit people's good nature.

Abso-effing-lutely.

Work with, not for them.
Have been contracted, not bought.
And yes, there are people who will get angry with you if you don't let them exploit you. You didn't go contracting to let them run your life.

[psychocandy]

Start doing some evening classes - explain to the client that you have to be somewhere at 7pm that day.

A few of us used to go to the theatre each week when we were working in London - PM used to look shocked every week when he'd ask us to stay late and we had tickets for things to go to whenever he asked.

Don';t get me wrong - if theres an upgrade happening I dont mind starting at 4pm or whatever and going until midnight.

What I don't like doing is being there at midnight - its all gone wrong and there are no contingencies for someone else taking over and I've got stay on site to fix for another 8 hours!