The HAYS contract PSCToA1011

[Wanderer]

I also emailed the client and let them know I wasn't messing them around but needed a minor change to the contract. But I know from comments made by employees at the client that the agent painted us in a very bad light.

Yep. That's exactly why you should bypass the agent at the first opportunity and speak directly with the client (IF the client is amenable to this and not all of them are by any means).

Agencies can easily tell the client that you are not available so they can get the client's second choice in there on a higher margin or try and cut your rate to pad their margin then tell the client you don't want the job when you refuse. I always try to form a relationship directly with the client as soon as possible to avoid stupid tricks like this.

[bobspud]

This is the same sort of situation. The role is specialised the client is very keen to have me on board, but Hays are not doing a very good job. I am staggered at how bad they are to be honest. I cannot understand why they think that the contract that they have is any where near fit for the purpose.

[bobspud]

The agent just went completely dead on this, and now does not return calls or emails. So I have sent one last email and walked away...

What they did not realise is that I am in contract with the guy that the chief executive uses to sort out really big problems. The nuclear ones where companies start sending lawyers in to sue. So I copied everything I have on the subject directly to him and said what a shame it was that I could not come and work with them and what a shower the agent had been in the matter.

[Antman]

I (and I'm sure many others) would love to hear how it pans out.

[No2politics]

The HAYS contract PSCToA1011

Note to self: do not apply for gigs via Hays if I have a choice of agency

Plus one.

I know someone at current client who has an awful substitution clause. I think hays has to provide the sub, not his limited company! Awful

Fortunately I have a different agency, and have a confirmation of arrangements stating they would accept my two subs, and have shown them their cv's.

Most contractor I meet haven't got a clue, and what's more annoying have no desire to find out.

[bobspud]

Most contractor I meet haven't got a clue, and what's more annoying have no desire to find out.

And those are the types that Hays are targeting I think.

[northernladuk]

Hope HMRC target Hays contractors for some easy IR35 money first then.

[wurzel]

Thanks for the heads up Bob. Hays will duly be added to my agency blacklist.

[bobspud]

Hope HMRC target Hays contractors for some easy IR35 money first then.

Don't get me wrong I really don't wish harm to Hays or anyone that is in business with them.

But I want the client to know that it was Hays that caused me to flounce, because I am sure that's not the story they will have told the client.

In the end they have done me a favour because even if the contract was changed I think that the working practices might have been a little too worrying. (Supporting multiple pre sales streams with solution designs, and no project deliverables to assign the contract to... )

[quackhandle]

I've been through this hassle, I got arsey (in a professional business type capacity) with them and like other posters have suggested, got the client involved. They backed down, and upon QDOS recommendations, had various wording changed, however by the time the revised contract came through I'd moved onto another gig.

qh