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    Bonus or gift under ir35

    The deliverable I am charged with counts towards an overall team goal or deliverable. This was recently achieved.

    As a result the end-client decided to hand out a gift to everyone. It's one of their own (slightly dodgy) products, so they're quite happy to hand them out at the least provocation. I could do without to be quite honest.

    I could take an equivalent in cash, or simply refuse; what is most kosher vis-a-vis ir35, or does the very concept sound dodgier than Del boy.

    Cheers.

    #2
    Do the opposite of what the permies do. A polite refusal is probably the best.

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      #3
      Definitely don't take the equivalent in cash as it will generate paperwork for you and you will have to pay VAT on it.

      Just politely refuse.

      If questioned say it's due to your company's gift acceptance and anti-bribery policies. (Well it's better than saying the gift is tulip.)
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        #4
        Might want to get the rest of your house in order if the client is even treating you like the others and offering. Most definitely do not accept it but make sure he isn't just treating you as part of the team and you are in danger of being under D&C and your working practices make you look permie. If there was any kind of bonus on the gig you should have dealt with it from the beginning.
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          #5
          Bloody hell, if I can get more money then I'll take it!!

          That's called making a profit on the contract though good management and performance. A nice positive IR35 pointer, in my book.
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            #6
            Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
            Definitely don't take the equivalent in cash as it will generate paperwork for you and you will have to pay VAT on it.
            Absolutely. No business ever got anywhere by accepting money that might generate any paperwork, or incur any VAT.

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              #7
              Originally posted by thunderlizard View Post
              Absolutely. No business ever got anywhere by accepting money that might generate any paperwork, or incur any VAT.
              For a small amount of money and looking embedded in the team the hassle isn't worth it.

              Now if the client decides to entertain all those involved or give something that wasn't tulip it would come under corporate entertainment and wouldn't be a risk.
              "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                #8
                The permies have been given a pressie and so have you - would suggest that you are being viewed as a permie by the higher ups which would not bode well in the event of an investigation
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by LisaContractorUmbrella View Post
                  The permies have been given a pressie and so have you - would suggest that you are being viewed as a permie by the higher ups which would not bode well in the event of an investigation
                  Doesn't this really come down to terminology though? If it's considered a project completion 'bonus' then what's the harm in taking it as cash providing it's accounted for properly? I'm sure there are plenty of arms-length contracts out there which have performance targets and bonuses written in, why is this any different regardless of whether the permies are offered the same?

                  In fact if the permies are only offered the gift but the contractor has the option of taking a cash equivalent, doesn't that indicate them being treated differently and therefore positive from IR35 perspective?
                  Last edited by Willapp; 14 January 2013, 10:10. Reason: Typo

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                    #10
                    Don't the AWR make provision for performance-related bonuses?

                    "10. Individual performance related bonus payments

                    A bonus you would pay the temporary worker if you directly employed them and which is directly attributable to their individual performance falls within the definition of 'pay'.

                    Where this applies the temporary worker does not have to receive exactly the same bonus as your comparable direct employee but should have the same opportunity to achieve it and be assessed using the same criteria. By contrast, bonuses or any part of them, directly linked to an individual's length of service/the company’s performance will not count." (lifted from here: Agency Workers Regulations (AWR): An Overview - Michael Page International)

                    So performance/project related bonus - yes, loyalty bonus - no?

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