BOOMED - but no rate increase!

[northernladuk]

LOL. This is true. I just think they are making assumptions.

Not 10 a penny what I do. Not saying its the greatest skill in the world but its fairly specific. And its in Wales. NO-ONE is going to travel here from, say, London for the rate and role they are offering.

Hope of getting a replacement. They have two - Bob Hope and No Hope.

NO ONE is irreplaceable. Don't forget that. You have position power yes but never think you cannot be replaced...ever.

Would you get a builder to build you a wall, and then expect to call him 10 years later and do it for the same price? Unlikely....

No, you get a polish guy to do it for cheaper... flippant remark but has basis.

They just ASSUME I'm going to stay.

Treating you like hidden permie? It isn't unreasonable to assume you are going to stay though is it really?

[psychocandy]

I'd like to think you were kidding, but I suspect you're not. I was once sent an unsolicited e-mail by an agent about some role, and instead of using the "BCC:" feature he'd inadvertently placed all of the recipients' addresses in the "To:" field. It was quite an eye-opener to see the 'profeshunal' addresses some people use for their business communications.

Obviously dont use this email for any sort of business use.

I've got a business domain and email account which I assume most people have?

[psychocandy]

NO ONE is irreplaceable. Don't forget that. You have position power yes but never think you cannot be replaced...ever.



No, you get a polish guy to do it for cheaper... flippant remark but has basis.



Treating you like hidden permie? It isn't unreasonable to assume you are going to stay though is it really?

Of course no-one is irreplaceable I just think they're attitude is a little strange. If I did leave it would be hassle for them - all because they couldnt be arsed to discuss a few more quid.

Maybe they do assume I'm going to stay? Like I said, I'm a local but the others on the team aint (although they have different skills to me) so theres no reason for them to stay if they get better offers. Client is playing a dangerous game methinks.

Good point about the polish builder though. If client wants to bring in a Bob to do my role then good luck to them but I suspect they'll regret it in the long term.

They've been burnt a few times like this already but I suspect it'l never sink in with them.

[northernladuk]

Of course no-one is irreplaceable I just think they're attitude is a little strange. If I did leave it would be hassle for them - all because they couldnt be arsed to discuss a few more quid.

Now I certainly can't argue with this but this.

[The Agents View]

Which is what you were hired to do, at the rate you originally agreed.



Which is why you were hired as a contractor, and not a permie in the first place - a proper specialist, who has been there, and done the same project a number of times - hence the premium of taking on a contractor



You think that because a client knows you, you are worth more? Flip that round. You know all the processes and procedures, the systems, the people, where everything is - so the job is easier for you now, so it should cost less.

Oh, you don't like that idea??



Costs do go up. That's right....what's the annual inflation rate at the moment? 2.8% isn't it?? Yet you lot all seem to be suggesting rate rises of £50-£100 per day...... Unless you're on some kind of very special rate - that equation doesn't add up.

Also - as an established supplier to a client, you should be expecting the amount of money per unit sold, to be going down - as it's more expensive to produce new business, than it is to service existing.

Perhaps I could ask "escapeUK" to try and put together an argument which makes any of this post, "Utterly wrong" or "self serving"? rather than sitting behind a feedback system and making no contribution to the debate.... Perhaps you could also remember that it serves no purpose for me to not get you a raise - the more you get paid, the more I get paid/more I can squeeze off your rate (assuming you read the hyperbole that goes round in here!)

[psychocandy]

Perhaps I could ask "escapeUK" to try and put together an argument which makes any of this post, "Utterly wrong" or "self serving"? rather than sitting behind a feedback system and making no contribution to the debate.... Perhaps you could also remember that it serves no purpose for me to not get you a raise - the more you get paid, the more I get paid/more I can squeeze off your rate (assuming you read the hyperbole that goes round in here!)

Dont think anyone here is having a go at agents with regards to getting a rate increase are they? (apart from the ones that take huge margins in the first place).

In my case, agent is pretty good. They even cut their margin first time around. Its the client who never phones agent back / cant be arsed to sort it thats the problem in my case.

[bobspud]

They just assume I'm going to renew at the same old rate. Also, they can never even be arsed to do it until 2 days before normally. Record 7 days in advance this time. They just ASSUME I'm going to stay.

I would never let a renewal go that long. I have regular discussions along the way wilth my clients and make sure we both know when the time is up...

[The Agents View]

I would never let a renewal go that long. I have regular discussions along the way wilth my clients and make sure we both know when the time is up...

renewals should be being sought, 5 weeks before the end of a contract - with a view to getting them tied off, 4 weeks before the end of the contract, IMO.

[Old Greg]

NO ONE is irreplaceable. Don't forget that. You have position power yes but never think you cannot be replaced...ever.

I am irreplaceable. They could do without me, but they couldn't replace me.

[Wanderer]

What utter tosh. A true contractor, goes in, completes a project, and gets out. They do not need to "Prove their worth" - they just need to deliver what is in the ASSIGNMENT SCHEDULE. They DO NOT have a job description - as to have a job description, is to be a permanent member of staff.

I'm the opposite to that. Yes my work's project based but I'm a business man so I don't go in there with the blinkers on and work to rule. Wherever I can I like to build a relationship with the client with a view to adding them to my list of contacts so I can cut out the middle man when working for them again in the future.

Sorry if that's treading on your toes but that's the way I do business.